I found this advertisement this guy is just rude...

[MaxH]

These 4 case are genuine sellers who tried to sell me / or trade w me between 2008-10 when I started to take in worn watches for personal use & sometimes flipping when I wanna get another watch.

They are all Panerais.

I dun wan to name who were involved and what model they were.
Suffice to say that these 4 watches have fake parts inside.
2 case of Stem, 1 case of mainspring e most bizarre of all e regulator!

And when I meet them at Service Ctr, the verification by the sellers in which I was present at the counter turn up fake parts that we all know can only come from uncertified repair centres worldwide.

Before I left and walk outta of e collapsed deal, I asked em where they got e watch....
3 source was named to me.
2 still in business & one no longer.

One watch was bought a year earlier.
The other 2 watch was about 9mths and another was just 3mths.

I advice em to go back to e traders asap to seek compensation & they did exactly that & got full compensation.

if e owner had never tried to sell, I think they would have never guessed they had a fake part inside....

I think most manual winding watch tend to have broken main-spring to stem due to heavy-handed gross negligent winding...

I think some of these traders take in this watch from sellers who sold as soon as they found out from Richemont that they had to pay for full servicing to have em just e stem/mainspring replaced.

I guess these 3 traders didn't replace the part with OEM as Panerai parts are not easily avail outside Richemont and they had to cut cost & increase margin by replacing it with fakes.

Hi, may I ask how one knows a stem and/or mainspring is of not genuine quality?

[crazybay]

I've been reading this thread since it started n i've since follow it like a HK drama. One thing i find it funny is that when one tell lies, pls always rem the lies tat u have said so tat when u say something later it won't conflict with ur lies tat u have said earlier. A moment ago, someone is asking ppl who wants him to treat them wantan n say tat he will reach there in 45 mins time but moment later he say tat he is in Japan. I haven heard of any airline tat can fly from Japan to SG in 45 mins times including airport n custom clearance. BTW does tis airline do exist?

[exxondus]

Definitely not, Fred Tan was posting from a Starhub IP in Singapore yesterday and I could tell you the IP number but it seems that Cedric Lim has had the entire thread in question, deleted from the Panerisiti Collector's Forum. Hmmm, wonder why?

As well yesterday Mr. Cedric Lim posted the thread in question from JV Fitness in the Orchard Road area.

As KK has said in this thread, the 4D hit yesterday with both of these posts from Singapore in the same thread.

wow!! how u managed to find out such stuff?

[5218-201/A]

does your now mean that as of the time of posting, you are in Japan?

Definitely not, Fred Tan was posting from a Starhub IP in Singapore yesterday and I could tell you the IP number but it seems that Cedric Lim has had the entire thread in question, deleted from the Panerisiti Collector's Forum. Hmmm, wonder why?

As well yesterday Mr. Cedric Lim posted the thread in question from JV Fitness in the Orchard Road area.

As KK has said in this thread, the 4D hit yesterday with both of these posts from Singapore in the same thread.

[exxondus]

Pls let me know

sigh...its apparent that you have no idea how harsh your words are, as well as how false and groundless some of your assumptions are. And you will never know cos its apparent you aren't one who self reflects before shooting others who disagree with you.

let's just forget it as I have no energy o argue furhter with people that refuse to listen.

For anyone who is interested, can see my reply here on Fred's comments.

http://www.sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=30758&page=4

Look at post #35 and his reply to my questions on post #37.

btw, before you refute that what you said are all facts and nothing but the facts, Let me tell you, one simple thing. I realy don mind nor dislike people wearing the same watch as me. Neither do my dad who is still very well alive thank you. 2 generations there in case you aren't aware. There you have it, what you said below no longer holds and is merely you barking up the wrong tree? Ney, just forget it......

I can assure you, all the grey traders here are not making one single cent from Rolex since 2006. We r just taking these Rolex to fulfill our qouta with the ADs to maintain relationships for other brands purchase.

In fact, starting from 2007, you can clearly see that our Rolex pricing is low as we r only keen to minimize losses asap by disposing fast.

You obviously ignorant and are only shooting off your mouth with no facts."
Our generation only want something that no1 else is wearing.Gone are the days when my dad goes to a wedding banquet to find 7 of his fren wearing the same 1680 in e same reception.
Gone r the days when my granddad & 3 of my granduncles wouldn't mind visiting my great-grand parents wearing the same 5513.
Some went to their graves in Melaka wearing the same 5513.

These ppl are all dead, dying or outta $ due to over-ageing....they dun even have $ to pay Rolex Service Ctr SGD1,200 to full service their pitted case for goodness sake & I had to pay em.

[triton]

does your now mean that as of the time of posting, you are in Japan?

Give u hint, I stayed in Taiwan from 2006 to 2007.
USA in 2008-9.
Japan from 09 till now

[triton]

If that is the case, i believe richemont will have records. for

rolex which i have brought in to authenticate and there are parts that are not original which i ask them to state in the service report.

if you cant substantiate these sellers for one reason or another. it can be seen that it is a baseless accusations.

These 4 case are genuine sellers who tried to sell me / or trade w me between 2008-10 when I started to take in worn watches for personal use & sometimes flipping when I wanna get another watch.

They are all Panerais.

I dun wan to name who were involved and what model they were.
Suffice to say that these 4 watches have fake parts inside.
2 case of Stem, 1 case of mainspring e most bizarre of all e regulator!

[5218-201/A]

Fred Tan, we are considering having a small Singapore GTG some time between the 15th to the 20th of next month. Any chance you could show up and meet us?

[Fred_Tan]

In which sentence did I put ppl down

Hi Fred, I think by your usual (not always) insinuation, condescending tone and pointless acussations, you are putting people down.

This is also what you called Bro Exondus (put other peoples down by name calling) and suggested that Rolex ownership is (make fun of other watchmaking brands) going the way of the dodo on 30 Oct 2010 in your reply to him.

"You're obviously making false & baseless accusations.
You're barking at e wrong tree.
And, you're off-topic.
Worst, you dun even know Panerai to speak about it.
You only know 312, it seems

Other traders like YKC brought in less than 30 piece of Rolex in last 3 years.
All in all, grey traders brought into SG less than 200 pieces of Rolex in last 3 years.
We are not the cause of Rolex failure cause we cannot possibly fight AD who brought in 30,000 pieces of Rolex a year into Spore.

I can assure you, all the grey traders here are not making one single cent from Rolex since 2006. We r just taking these Rolex to fulfill our qouta with the ADs to maintain relationships for other brands purchase.

In fact, starting from 2007, you can clearly see that our Rolex pricing is low as we r only keen to minimize losses asap by disposing fast.

You obviously ignorant and are only shooting off your mouth with no facts."
Our generation only want something that no1 else is wearing.
Gone are the days when my dad goes to a wedding banquet to find 7 of his fren wearing the same 1680 in e same reception.
Gone r the days when my granddad & 3 of my granduncles wouldn't mind visiting my great-grand parents wearing the same 5513.
Some went to their graves in Melaka wearing the same 5513.

These ppl are all dead, dying or outta $ due to over-ageing....they dun even have $ to pay Rolex Service Ctr SGD1,200 to full service their pitted case for goodness sake & I had to pay em.

Rolex had severely over estimate its branding power on the new generation M & S who want's to be exclusive.
I dun wan to wear e AP ROO Safari that my boss is wearing even when it's my fav must have item.
I dun wan to wear e Calatrava that my cousin is flashing around.
I dun wan to be seen in a Big Pilot cause my colleague in my office was dumb enough to get 1 last mth when he know's I already have one.

So, greed killed Rolex. Not grey-traders. Not me. We never make much. We never flood e mart.[/COLOR]

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Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but this must have been the catalyst of the displeasure against you, and not because we are trolls or moles working for grey dealers.
However, I'm certain if you were more sensitive to the feelings of others and presented your thoughts with less hints of clinical paranoia, a less harsh and abrasive tone, tensions will start to ease over time.

Pls let me know

[Fred_Tan]

Hi Fred, I think by your usual (not always) insinuation, condescending tone and pointless acussations, you are putting people down.

This is also what you called Bro Exondus (put other peoples down by name calling) and suggested that Rolex ownership is (make fun of other watchmaking brands) going the way of the dodo on 30 Oct 2010 in your reply to him.

I didn't call anyone by names or did I put ppl down or accuse ppl with baseless accusations or going the way of dodo.

This a forum where myself has been called names related with food & etc...

[Fred_Tan]

There're 4 case

Can you substantiate the point which i have BOLD and underlined so that the community can benefit.

These 4 case are genuine sellers who tried to sell me / or trade w me between 2008-10 when I started to take in worn watches for personal use & sometimes flipping when I wanna get another watch.

They are all Panerais.

I dun wan to name who were involved and what model they were.
Suffice to say that these 4 watches have fake parts inside.
2 case of Stem, 1 case of mainspring e most bizarre of all e regulator!

And when I meet them at Service Ctr, the verification by the sellers in which I was present at the counter turn up fake parts that we all know can only come from uncertified repair centres worldwide.

Before I left and walk outta of e collapsed deal, I asked em where they got e watch....
3 source was named to me.
2 still in business & one no longer.

One watch was bought a year earlier.
The other 2 watch was about 9mths and another was just 3mths.

I advice em to go back to e traders asap to seek compensation & they did exactly that & got full compensation.

if e owner had never tried to sell, I think they would have never guessed they had a fake part inside....

I think most manual winding watch tend to have broken main-spring to stem due to heavy-handed gross negligent winding...

I think some of these traders take in this watch from sellers who sold as soon as they found out from Richemont that they had to pay for full servicing to have em just e stem/mainspring replaced.

I guess these 3 traders didn't replace the part with OEM as Panerai parts are not easily avail outside Richemont and they had to cut cost & increase margin by replacing it with fakes.

[4Dvisor]

Moderators ........

Where are you?

[exxondus]

Bro Exondus,
He used words like this on you (even when you did not accuse him of being a flipper/grey dealer) "You obviously ignorant and are only shooting off your mouth with no facts." (when the words in your posts were clearly taken out of context)

and yet now claims "Common, I respect everyone here & all watch afficianados. Ppl who knows know I do."

Look who's the one shooting his mouth off with no facts now?

It is appears someone may suffer from personality disorders and needs the counselling.

Sorry to focus on this but I feel I must vindicate you, Bro Exondus, and I hope I did.

Haha, but to add on to what you said, most of us wouldn't mind counselling from XMMs, hehe!

Thank you thank you, appreciate your help

Now I no longer tramutised liaoz. you must be the XMM that I have been waiting for all along!!

[Fred_Tan]

So how do u know e Peter is not a Pan?

I would deal with a John so long as he admits he is Peter on another forum.
That's me.

So If we met I told u I'm "MagnetUnDiluted" from this forum and "FishyShortJohn" from another forum, how do u verify that?

And I told u, "But these 2 are just my nicks, my real name is "SarawakCat".

How do u verify that?
Maybe u dun care as a buyer if I just give u wat u need and as long as what I sell u is authentic & in condition that u specified.
U go home & u forget bout e seller.

But, what do I get as seller?
The seller who use multi-nick has lost e change to establish his network and establish a wider relationship across different brands/ forum/ countries & etc with multi-nicks....

Which is easier to remember?
Different nick in different forum or just one nick across all?

Flippers/sellers will never use multi-nicks to buy/sell.
It's simple business sense.

[Fred_Tan]

A moderator here had received payment from my POSBank/DBS account with "Tan ### #####" name 2 mths ago.
He can proof my identity.
Can e moles here do e same & bank in say SGD1.00 to moderator account thru hassle free iBanking.
I'm very sure every1 has POSBank here
your logic is one kind.... can your transaction with this mod prove that you were not Rusell Chong?
since you brought up this issue of proof,
was it not once suggested that you and your collegue Rusell Chong (who was the one trying to inflate the mkt) turn up together at some gathering ... what happened to that?

Moderator here have received $ from me under the account of Mr Tan XX thru POSBank/DBSBank iBanking transfer for a purchase.

So if I dun speak e truth, moderators here in SG-ROC can ban me and inform all moderators all all watch site in other forums.

I cannot name e moderator here.
But pls ban me if I'm lying