I found this advertisement this guy is just rude...

[Fred_Tan]

Turn up together at a gathering?

since you brought up this issue of proof,
was it not once suggested that you and your collegue Rusell Chong (who was the one trying to inflate the mkt) turn up together at some gathering ... what happened to that?[/COLOR]

Turning up in a gathering?
This is an interesting story.
Where & when?

Pls share the encounter if u have further info.
I wish to refresh my memory.
Give u hint, I stayed in Taiwan from 2006 to 2007.
USA in 2008-9.
Japan from 09 till now

I pray this "gathering" that u or ur Risti bro are in Japan/USA/Taiwan?

Pls share the encounter....USA & Taiwan is very big
i may ask which hotel / restaurant that we met.
So pls prepare the story

[toffeesthings]

Of course you would be tramutised....I would. This is just a hobby but you are bombarded like you just disgraced your ancestors.

XMM serving you Fried Wantan?

I think maybe he can supply too.

As mentioned by others, why would public people who don't know each other gang up against a single individual?

If one friend don't like me....it could be him. If many friends don't like me, I start to look at myself.

He seems happy and thank all here for 'helping' him to clear his Pam stock...so I guess it is a nice ending and he is not sueing people for stealing his business.

Gtg cos it's Sunday and my family is more important.

Cheers Ender, DM, Keith, 201. Eng Tay's watches are just out of the world.

You are right Bro, family time is more important on a Sunday! Enjoy! : )

[toffeesthings]

Till date I am still tramutised by his remarks

I need counseling by XMMs from then till now

Bro Exondus,
He used words like this on you (even when you did not accuse him of being a flipper/grey dealer) "You obviously ignorant and are only shooting off your mouth with no facts." (when the words in your posts were clearly taken out of context)

and yet now claims "Common, I respect everyone here & all watch afficianados. Ppl who knows know I do."

Look who's the one shooting his mouth off with no facts now?

It is appears someone may suffer from personality disorders and needs the counselling.

Sorry to focus on this but I feel I must vindicate you, Bro Exondus, and I hope I did.

Haha, but to add on to what you said, most of us wouldn't mind counselling from XMMs, hehe!

[RTS]

eh.. you dont sound apologetic.. Making a mistake is okay but I think sincerity is the best form of rectification..

Accidentally selling parts that are fake is normal in VRF.
This is not a big deal in any forum as long as u remove the post & stop the sale.
There're so many fakes even the long term sellers have been caught there but everytime they got highlighted like me, they took action to remove it.

[exxondus]

XMM serving you Fried Wantan?

I think maybe he can supply too.

...

I don want XMMs from him. later i eating halfway AV knock on door how? tio BK

You got lobang instead?

I eagerly await your return on Monday. Enjoy your remaining weekend!

[KuchingKu]

Till date I am still tramutised by his remarks

I need counseling by XMMs from then till now

Of course you would be tramutised....I would. This is just a hobby but you are bombarded like you just disgraced your ancestors.

XMM serving you Fried Wantan?

I think maybe he can supply too.

As mentioned by others, why would public people who don't know each other gang up against a single individual?

If one friend don't like me....it could be him. If many friends don't like me, I start to look at myself.

He seems happy and thank all here for 'helping' him to clear his Pam stock...so I guess it is a nice ending and he is not sueing people for stealing his business.

Gtg cos it's Sunday and my family is more important.

Cheers Ender, DM, Keith, 201. Eng Tay's watches are just out of the world.

[exxondus]

Hi Fred, I think by your usual (not always) insinuation, condescending tone and pointless acussations, you are putting people down.

This is also what you called Bro Exondus (put other peoples down by name calling) and suggested that Rolex ownership is (make fun of other watchmaking brands) going the way of the dodo on 30 Oct 2010 in your reply to him.

"You're obviously making false & baseless accusations.
You're barking at e wrong tree.
And, you're off-topic.
Worst, you dun even know Panerai to speak about it.
You only know 312, it seems

Other traders like YKC brought in less than 30 piece of Rolex in last 3 years.
All in all, grey traders brought into SG less than 200 pieces of Rolex in last 3 years.
We are not the cause of Rolex failure cause we cannot possibly fight AD who brought in 30,000 pieces of Rolex a year into Spore.

I can assure you, all the grey traders here are not making one single cent from Rolex since 2006. We r just taking these Rolex to fulfill our qouta with the ADs to maintain relationships for other brands purchase.

In fact, starting from 2007, you can clearly see that our Rolex pricing is low as we r only keen to minimize losses asap by disposing fast.

You obviously ignorant and are only shooting off your mouth with no facts."
Our generation only want something that no1 else is wearing.
Gone are the days when my dad goes to a wedding banquet to find 7 of his fren wearing the same 1680 in e same reception.
Gone r the days when my granddad & 3 of my granduncles wouldn't mind visiting my great-grand parents wearing the same 5513.
Some went to their graves in Melaka wearing the same 5513.

These ppl are all dead, dying or outta $ due to over-ageing....they dun even have $ to pay Rolex Service Ctr SGD1,200 to full service their pitted case for goodness sake & I had to pay em.

Rolex had severely over estimate its branding power on the new generation M & S who want's to be exclusive.
I dun wan to wear e AP ROO Safari that my boss is wearing even when it's my fav must have item.
I dun wan to wear e Calatrava that my cousin is flashing around.
I dun wan to be seen in a Big Pilot cause my colleague in my office was dumb enough to get 1 last mth when he know's I already have one.

So, greed killed Rolex. Not grey-traders. Not me. We never make much. We never flood e mart.[/COLOR]

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Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but this must have been the catalyst of the displeasure against you, and not because we are trolls or moles working for grey dealers.
However, I'm certain if you were more sensitive to the feelings of others and presented your thoughts with less hints of clinical paranoia, a less harsh and abrasive tone, tensions will start to ease over time.

Till date I am still tramutised by his remarks

I need counseling by XMMs from then till now

[5218-201/A]

Damn Fred, With all of these posts, I wonder why anyone wants to deal with you? I wonder if Eng Tay is one of your customers Fred? Ah let me email him and discuss it.

[toffeesthings]

Can you quote me & show to everyone here that I "put other people down, call other people names, make fun of other watchmaking brands whilst worshipping panerai at the same time"

I wear an expensive watch?
Wow, I didn't know that.
Have we met or are u just another troll?

Hi Fred, I think by your usual (not always) insinuation, condescending tone and pointless acussations, you are putting people down.

This is also what you called Bro Exondus (put other peoples down by name calling) and suggested that Rolex ownership is (make fun of other watchmaking brands) going the way of the dodo on 30 Oct 2010 in your reply to him.

"You're obviously making false & baseless accusations.
You're barking at e wrong tree.
And, you're off-topic.
Worst, you dun even know Panerai to speak about it.
You only know 312, it seems

Other traders like YKC brought in less than 30 piece of Rolex in last 3 years.
All in all, grey traders brought into SG less than 200 pieces of Rolex in last 3 years.
We are not the cause of Rolex failure cause we cannot possibly fight AD who brought in 30,000 pieces of Rolex a year into Spore.

I can assure you, all the grey traders here are not making one single cent from Rolex since 2006. We r just taking these Rolex to fulfill our qouta with the ADs to maintain relationships for other brands purchase.

In fact, starting from 2007, you can clearly see that our Rolex pricing is low as we r only keen to minimize losses asap by disposing fast.

You obviously ignorant and are only shooting off your mouth with no facts."
Our generation only want something that no1 else is wearing.
Gone are the days when my dad goes to a wedding banquet to find 7 of his fren wearing the same 1680 in e same reception.
Gone r the days when my granddad & 3 of my granduncles wouldn't mind visiting my great-grand parents wearing the same 5513.
Some went to their graves in Melaka wearing the same 5513.

These ppl are all dead, dying or outta $ due to over-ageing....they dun even have $ to pay Rolex Service Ctr SGD1,200 to full service their pitted case for goodness sake & I had to pay em.

Rolex had severely over estimate its branding power on the new generation M & S who want's to be exclusive.
I dun wan to wear e AP ROO Safari that my boss is wearing even when it's my fav must have item.
I dun wan to wear e Calatrava that my cousin is flashing around.
I dun wan to be seen in a Big Pilot cause my colleague in my office was dumb enough to get 1 last mth when he know's I already have one.

So, greed killed Rolex. Not grey-traders. Not me. We never make much. We never flood e mart.[/COLOR]

[/COLOR]

Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but this must have been the catalyst of the displeasure against you, and not because we are trolls or moles working for grey dealers.
However, I'm certain if you were more sensitive to the feelings of others and presented your thoughts with less hints of clinical paranoia, a less harsh and abrasive tone, tensions will start to ease over time.

[5218-201/A]

another wall of text.
we can go on and on again ... but i think you shld understand that no one's against you just because you are a flipper/ grey dealer.

Very true Enders, I beleive this guy CL/FT seems to prey on people who need to sell rather than someone who wants ot sell to upgrade to anther watch thus not giving a fair price.

I would advise anyone that feels they are not getting a fair deal selling to CL/FT then please PM with what you have and with wht you think is a fair rice and I may be interested in it. PAM Pre-V's only, please.

[Ender]

Cos if they are not, they are just wasting their time.
I actually couldn't care less of being called names.
One things that I cannot tolerate is when someone say I have multi-nicks in e forum, names on e street, sell fake goods & etc.
Do u seriously think all e forum have no resource to go after ppl who use multi-nicks and do u think moderators who know me here and elsewhere and had also bought & sold to me will not know?
A moderator here had received payment from my POSBank/DBS account with "Tan ### #####" name 2 mths ago.
He can proof my identity.
Can e moles here do e same & bank in say SGD1.00 to moderator account thru hassle free iBanking.
I'm very sure every1 has POSBank here.

Cos if they are not, they are just wasting their time.
that's what you say.

I actually couldn't care less of being called names.
noted.

One things that I cannot tolerate is when someone say I have multi-nicks in e forum, names on e street, sell fake goods & etc.
the irony.

Do u seriously think all e forum have no resource to go after ppl who use multi-nicks and do u think moderators who know me here and elsewhere and had also bought & sold to me will not know?
irony X 2

A moderator here had received payment from my POSBank/DBS account with "Tan ### #####" name 2 mths ago.
He can proof my identity.
Can e moles here do e same & bank in say SGD1.00 to moderator account thru hassle free iBanking.
I'm very sure every1 has POSBank here
your logic is one kind.... can your transaction with this mod prove that you were not Rusell Chong?
since you brought up this issue of proof,
was it not once suggested that you and your collegue Rusell Chong (who was the one trying to inflate the mkt) turn up together at some gathering ... what happened to that?

[Ender]

...
oh ya, side track. does anyone have the link to the rojak Rolex that Ender mentioned which Fred is trying to sell as a 'complete' set? I read his comments and found that if he did disclose in this selling thread that its a rojak set, then its fine. But his comments was that he posted WTB looking for parts, then I feel its not appropriate. I mean, why don directly list in the selling thread? Indirecty implying that the buyer should know cos Fred posted WTB threads and hence, the Rolex is a rojak set to me is indiectly trying to withhold information in the hope that the buyer doesnt know. kinda dishonest, like my bloody ERA agent which I complain and complain like siao. His response whenever he never tell me properly is that HDB webbie got put. WTF! Kudos to the government for stepping in on such dishonest practises.

erh, just go to VRF and do a search on seller's name.
well, your thinking is the same as mine and the mods, but of course, the seller thinks otherwise.

[Ender]

of course, it's not an issue to you... you are the potential buyer...

typo, shld read as "you are not the potential buyer..."

[Fred_Tan]

I have no $ to buy this

Pictures below were taken at a Risti get together with Eng Tay in Jakarta. Compare the 6152's strap curvature above 1 o'clock with your picture and these.

?


And that guy will be radioactively activated, LOL

[Ender]

If a seller / buyer with a nickname say "B.Obaba" has a good solid reputation, tens of good feedback, reputation & countless international Ref, do u think he'd wanna start again with another nick like "H.Lipton" in new forum or other forums?
Intuitively, using multi-nicks in different forum & selling/posting/buying same items not only reduce one's credibility but goes against logic.
Why waste the good name.
If u have a good name here in SG-ROC, do u wanna set a new one that's different in VRF, Rolex, WN, TZ & etc?
Why not use it if it's avail?

that's if you are in for the biz...
by your argument, alot of sellers on TZ-UK have little credibility and are going against logic given that they have different nicks on p.com