Update on the finding of my omega speedmaster mark 2

[JAMYLIM]

Bro,, thks. Hopefully.

[polarinda]

JW WILL get it running for u Jamy. No fret. This watch will remind you of so many valuable lessons in life that you should wear it in good health.

[JAMYLIM]

Bro, you are right...buying a watch is about the good feeling and I doubt this watch will ever give me that cos it reminded too much of some creep but at the same time I wont be able to understand how some creep can go ahead and enjoy the other watch he traded for under such circumstances its really beyond me.

[JAMYLIM]

Bro,

I really dont mind about the rust lah and that is why I didnt want to absorb too much when the repairer go blarring away about this and that...I means yes it is a vintage and If I really want a perfect watch I might as well send it for a major overhauland clean up,etc.
You know the thing is that this chap have the cheek to tell mehe didnt open the cover to look inside and yet in his forum when he put the watch for sale he stated "picture of actual watch added"...further on he stated "chrono functions all still working and keeping time well. Watch condition is very good". NOW HERE'S THE BEST PART...HE STATE : "Last picture taken to show you the beautiful 861 Omega movement inside the watch". This afternoon he told me he has never open the watch before and yet he can display it in his sales picture. Its the same thing as he gave a guarantee and later add in his terms after the damaged is reported. I dont need to say more about such people but you be the judge.

[Rolex01]

I believe some people buy vintage watches for value.

What will happen to the value of the vintage where some part of the parts are not original?

[Rolex01]

Buying high end watches is all about the "feel good" feeling.

Watch and human are very different, I pay this type of price, of course i would expect the watch and all it parts to be original.

So what's the difference if I go buy a fake watch which uses Asian Jewel movement and able to tell the same accurate time and a original watch with partial components of movement and parts used are non-original.

Unless you got this watch at great discounts, and willing to live with it.

One may be $100.00 but the other one may be few thousands.

Paying these type of price you have every single reason to expect the watch and all parts to be in original condition be it its rusty, but still original.

So what's the cost for you to restore back those parts to original? 1200?
If so, its way over-priced for this vintage. Is this vintage limited edition?
I am not familiar with omega hence unable to advise on that.

[JAMYLIM]

Hi. Seriously even before you talk about me selling it the next time I was already entertaining the thought of crushing it or just simply give it away. If I want to keep it a secret about the findings I guess I will not even put it on this forum and made it known and probably try to carry out a similar crippy stunt on some unspected victim.
But will I want to do something against another being using the same ploy that I was against? Fortunately I wouldnt stoop that low and have my reputation turnish.
If I still want to keep the watch I will just get it running - never mind about those "unoriginal" parts. Whats the point of having original parts and not being able to tell the time. Its like a human with all original parts, beautiful on the outside but corrupt on the inside and have no second thought of their own actions towards others. Thks

[Rolex01]

I got a vintage rolex date just half gold with diamonds, all the parts are from rolex, but every single part is not from the original watch.
Watch is working fine but I will never sell if I dont state the real condition of the watch (inclusive of the mechanism and bracelet and dial and hands).
I don‘t think is fair if I sell it as LNIB Rolex Datejust model XXXXX.

My advice is goto JW watch and let them quote you, at least they won‘t carrot head chop you.

And if you keep the watch and later intend to sell, wat are u going to tell your buyer?
All original parts and watch working fine?
If you sell it as watch not original parts who will buy???

Yes, you have hit the subject with the nail.

If you don't intend to sell it forever, you can ignore the non-original parts.

But the real problem is even yourself may not know the answer and you may not want to sell at this point in time, but what if for whatever reason you have loss interests in this watch and want to sell it and fund another watch.

One's never say Never to never....future, all of us don't know any may regret the decision make today.

[JAMYLIM]

Bro, to be fair to Crippy---its not fake lah.. Its just not the original parts for this model.
I'm actually fine with it as long as the damn watch is working. Like I said before if we want 100% perfect then most of our vintage watches would have fail the test. Of course the repairer will tell you alot of imperfection but thats his job and what he's train and paid to do that's why I dont look forward to visiting one. More bad news than good ones. Thks

[JAMYLIM]

You're right... its not about the money which is why I dont even want his S$300...For some they will salvage whatever they can from the last bits in such a situation but for me - it will be an insult for me to even take it --- to me this is like asking me to accept something against what I stand for.
My principal is worth more than that. Thanks

[polarinda]

Not all sellers will take the watch back even if parts are found to be unoriginal. The seller may say the buyer changed the parts after the sale and that the watch was all original under the seller's hand. Verbal warranty again, does nothing in court of law. WIth terms and conditions all muddled up in the warranty, nothing is transparent.

At the end of the day, it boils down to integrity and how much your reputation is worth to you. IS that $2000++ more important than taking the watch back now and be deemed a first class seller? ONly the seller can decide. SOme people cannot look beyond dollars and cents. Their thinking is :" wow wee, got away with this deal, lucky never take the watch back..."etc.. good luck to them.

But if one knowingly sells fake watches, that's another story.

[JAMYLIM]

Thks for all advise..Yes its my fault that I didnt exercise due diligence in checking the watch thoroughly before taking it but I would expect some decency from the seller to take responsibility for it instead of saying he didnt know of it or didnt open up and see (when he can even show the picture of the movement when he put it up for sale) the inside. This to me is misrepresentation of something he is trying to sell. I take it that he is no aware of all these parts not being "original" but the fact that he is the one who sold it to me shouldnt he have the courtesy to take it back? What can I do when he refuse to take it back? You think I will want to go hunt him down and try to pursue him and threaten him like some "ah long". To him this case is close. Whether he go on and create another nick or account - in future whoever want to deal with him should understand how he go about doing his business and if whoever can accept that then good luck to that person. I thank him for the nice lesson.

[wolfeyes1974]

Below those comments are just my personal opinion.

I will never buy a watch with non-original replacement parts if I know in advance.

For a Omega Watch with such a high repair cost $1200,00; it doesn't make sense to proceed to repair (percentage to cost of watch)

As what you mentioned below:

2) Somebody tried to do a hand-painting on the hands which was visible when I did a check myself using my own magnifying scope.
3) He also said the beat wasnt good.

He offered to open it up at S$40 to have a closer look at the movement and all and this is his opinion:

1) He said the "pusher" is not the "original" while it is an Omega pusher but not for the watch of this model as he went on to show me the size of both pusher is slightly different size.
2) He said some parts in the movement is again not the original and have been taken from here and there to put them together...
3) There were slight rust.

There are so many not original components involve, if its me, I would cancel the deal and get back my watch and close this episode.
I cannot accept the fact that I have own a high end watch with fake partial component.

My definition very simple...
Genuine watch must be in original condition including all parts and movement.

I cannot say the watch is fake because they use some not original parts but its for you to decide see if you can live with it and knowing the facts that some parts are not original and you paid $x for it.

I suspect Paul is not the first and only owner of this watch. As such, he may/may not know that certain parts are not original.

To me it's simple. Paul has to take back the watch and give a full refund. As long as some of the parts are not original/genuine (the pusher that's most obvious in this case without opening the case). We suspected the watch was magnetized and apparently that's just a small problem. Magnetized or not is irrelevant here now.

Eric has been in this field for a long time doing restoration. I feel that the watch doesn't need another opinion. If you want another opinion, you can swing by Lucky Plaza level 3 (Singapore Horological Restoration Centre) or JW or Heirloom at 20 Upper Circular Road (Heirloom specializes in selling vintages).

I suggest Paul to accompany you. It's his responsibility as well as goodwill as a seller, whether he's busy or not. The shops mentioned above are open on saturday too.

[chiu_peow]

if you as the buyer did not practise due diligence in having getting the watch verified @ the appropriate service centre, you cannot say it is the seller's fault for not informing you this and that.

tough luck once you part your money.

bottom line is you part good hard earned money for a product that is not the justified selling price.

you need to decide how to move on from here.

the seller can just re-create a new nick and get a new number to sell watch and other items.

[Rolex01]

Below those comments are just my personal opinion.

I will never buy a watch with non-original replacement parts if I know in advance.

For a Omega Watch with such a high repair cost $1200,00; it doesn't make sense to proceed to repair (percentage to cost of watch)

As what you mentioned below:

2) Somebody tried to do a hand-painting on the hands which was visible when I did a check myself using my own magnifying scope.
3) He also said the beat wasnt good.

He offered to open it up at S$40 to have a closer look at the movement and all and this is his opinion:

1) He said the "pusher" is not the "original" while it is an Omega pusher but not for the watch of this model as he went on to show me the size of both pusher is slightly different size.
2) He said some parts in the movement is again not the original and have been taken from here and there to put them together...
3) There were slight rust.

There are so many not original components involve, if its me, I would cancel the deal and get back my watch and close this episode.
I cannot accept the fact that I have own a high end watch with fake partial component.

My definition very simple...
Genuine watch must be in original condition including all parts and movement.

I cannot say the watch is fake because they use some not original parts but its for you to decide see if you can live with it and knowing the facts that some parts are not original and you paid $x for it.