Update on the finding of my omega speedmaster mark 2

[JAMYLIM]

Bro, thanks...
Too busy --- if only they were open yesterday as I was in that area...thats why I ended in Bonfield for convenient on the way back to Tuas where nobody wants to go to... Maybe I try sometime this week. Thanks

[polarinda]

Jw will settle your timing issues. They are open today. Unlikely to be 1200.

[JAMYLIM]

Bro, thanks for the advise. Bonfield isnt charging for the demagnetise job as he felt that it is more to that and of course it could be over charge. I'm not particular about the hands or the pusher --- all I need is to put it back to running condition as a watch which is suppose to tell time. Anyway I have already told Paul to close the case and keep his max S$300 since he feels is a sale and he is not responsible because he isnt aware of all these and have never open the watch himself but come to think of it as I am sending you this msg now that he did show me a picture of the watch with the back open up showing the movement. For me to accept his S$300 is an insult to my what I believe. I asked him whether how he would have felt if the Longine watch he traded from me have the same problem and I tell him the same crap. For those who intend to buy/sell/trade with him whether now or in future better know that his guarantee comes with terms that he will only said so after the watch is sold and you all will decide whether you want to deal with such a term but as for me I'm staying away from him for good...such is the respect I have for him and I do better without his S$300.

Thanks.

[polarinda]

Bonfield ? 1200 is more like a full service price.

Bro, send to JW and get it demagnetised...that's the only place i recommend.

[JAMYLIM]

Hi bro, thanks for advice n encouragement. Honestly i tried to live with it by thinking(altho its a stupid idea for me to think this way) tat since it is running ahead by approx 45mins i decided to set it behind 45mins and hope tat it will catch up with the correct time but it didnt just catch up with time but outrun the normal time. How am i to wear a watch whose basic purpose is to tell time.? I cant be living with the fear whether is my watch telling the right time and have to look at the clock to confirm the time. I dont care much other details which is why i told the repairer that im not fussy abt the slight rust or the imperfaction he pointed out abt the dial. Seriously if all of us here were to be so particular about every detail and looking closely at the finer detail we would never find a perfect watch. Im able to accept imperfection. If all of us were to put our vintage piece we bought for closer look i think most of it will fail the repairers expectation bcos simply he is looking at it from his profession. But how am i to live with a watch thats running ahead so much unless i wesr it as a jewellry but not to tell time? but of course i am discounting what the repairer tell me as which who wouldnt over exergerate the matter which is why i have never ever visit any watch repairer except for two rolexes i sent to RSC for verification n repair. Im hoping a second opinion n estimate cost will eventually be able to resolve this so we can move on although not entirely happy with what i have to go thru.. Im trying im trying..thks.

[dominique_kwok]

Dear Jamy,

I can truly understand what you are going through, the dilemma...

However, all I can say is that this whole situation can only be resolved if 1) Paul is ok with taking the watch back or 2) You are magnanimous enough to live with the issue and just wear the watch as it is.

Why do I say that?

Well if you look through my previous posts, you will see that I recently purchases a 232 that was not mounted on any strap.

It was only upon returning home and looking at the watch under normal lighting did I discover a scratch on the crystal. When I was checking the watch with the seller in Starbucks, the lighting there deceived my eyes. My discovery of the scratch was no more than 30mins after I left Starbucks and reached home.

The seller offered to polish off the scratch which he also said he had no knowledge of. Interestingly, the watch was described as lnib in the posting. To add on to my woes, the watch would stop working after running for about 10hours which was an obvious indication of a flaw in its mechanism.

I informed the seller and he asked me to get it fixed and we agreed to do so at Top Hour. Uncle Lim was able to solve the mechanism problem and the seller bore the full cost. However, Uncle Lim could not do anything about the scratch. Unlce Lim said the only way to fix the scratch was to get the crystal replaced.

Despite the seller meeting up with me on a Sunday to polish off the scratch using polywatch, all attempts failed. The seller only offered to foot half the replacement fee for the crystal. In the end, he had to leave and he gave me the tube of polywatch to fix the crystal myself.

Well, what can I say? I held on to the watch because I know that once money is handed over, the only way one can get it back is if the person you handed it too is willing to return it. Would I have bought the watch if i had known about the scratch and the faulty mechanism? Honestly, no. And the brothers here will attest that I had been considering a 232 or a 190 for the longest time... About 1.5years to be exact.

Am i disappointed? Yes I am. The seller though a friendly guy, never offered me a full refund though I did nothing to the watch. Till today, I am not sure if he still means it about paying half the cost of the replacement of the crystal. The cost of replacing the crystal would be $600. From my point of view, I don't see why I should be footing $300 for a scratch that was not caused by me. I can only blame myself for not being vigilant enough to scrutinise the watch under all sorts of lighting. Then again, I'm no watch expert...

I have not sold any of my pams which were all purchased via this forum. I have not heard from the seller anymore with him asking me if I have managed to polish off the scratch. Nor have I received the bezel protector which he said he would give me. In this case, do i hound him for it?

Instead of being sad, I went out and purchased gorgeous malio straps and finally mounted it on my 232 so I can at least wear the watch. I see the scratch every time I wear it since my line of work takes me to natural lighting.

Bro Jamy, you cannot control others... The only person you really have control over is yourself, your own emotions. If you want to, you can still find joy in wearing a watch that is not to your expectations. It is all about managing your expectations

I hope you get your happy ending... Or make your own happy ending with your omega speedmaster mark 2...

[JAMYLIM]

Update on the finding of my omega speedmaster mark 2

Dear:Folks,

Greetings to all.This is an update of the watch repairer analysis of my Omega Mark 2 I bought from Paul Lim recently. I would like to thank those of you who have been following up on my last forum on this subject - your input/contribution.
After the last conclusion - Paul asked me to go ahead to send the watch to any watch repairer although I did asked for his suggestion since I am not sure who to send to.
I managed to get a few repairer from the web and decided to send it to BonField.
I initially wanted JW but it is close today. Swatch Group maybe too ex although I would have felt more comfortable with them. Paul has told me that the max he is willing to pay is S$300 but I told him to leave that open as I told him that in the event if the problem which causes the watch to go fast is due to the watch parts condition then its not fair that I should be made to bear the cost to get it right. I attended an official work meeting in town this morning and so I took the opportunity to make a quick detour to this repairer on my way back to my office. The watch specialist Mr.Eric Ong took the watch and did a visual check (without opening it) plus did some test and gave his first opinion:
1) He said it is heavily magnetise
2) Somebody tried to do a hand-painting on the hands which was visible when I did a check myself using my own magnifying scope.
3) He also said the beat wasnt good.

He offered to open it up at S$40 to have a closer look at the movement and all and this is his opinion:

1) He said the "pusher" is not the "original" while it is an Omega pusher but not for the watch of this model as he went on to show me the size of both pusher is slightly different size.
2) He said some parts in the movement is again not the original and have been taken from here and there to put them together...
3) There were slight rust.

I told Eric that as a laymen I dont go all out to look at the watch into such details because he is approaching the subject as a profession cos if everyone of us were to start looking into every finer details then I guess none of us will be buying any second hand watches especially vintage.
I also asked him whether is it possible that I magnetise it within that short period between taking over the watch the last evening till 11plus the next morning when I first notice the problem and he said it is not possible unless I am working in an industry with very strong magnetic field equipment around me.

I then asked him the cost for the repair and he quoted me about S$1200 which I tried to negotiate but without success. I then left since it is that costly and I inform Paul about it by sms.

I gave him the choice to get a 2nd opinion since I believe independent repairer will definately want to make a decent profit out of it so in a way Im taking it with a pinch of salt...

I dont think that its fair that I am made to accept the watch of such condition especially when I notify Paul in the instance I notice the problem.

I am at a dead end of what to do next as I dont wish to get into another tussle with Paul over this which is mentally draining. I know he doesnt want to take back the watch and probably feel that I must accept it.

Your opinion appreciated.

Thanks..

[Darkangel]

I believe that both Paul and Jamy will settle it themselves privately as they have both voiced their story here. We shall not continue the discussion.

Thread will be closed.

[polarinda]

Same as once watch leave your hand, any problem is the buyers problem.

Bro, please read and understand. Is it too difficult for you?
if u give warranty, then it's still your problem once leave your hand...unless crystal shattered or watch hammered.
if u didn't give warranty, then it's not your problem once leave your hand...even timing issues..
In this case, the seller gave a verbal warranty..albeit terms and conditions...so he is not entirely out of it.

[Rolex116613]

If i did not give a warranty before the sale, then all is good when the transaction is done(one could always sign a sales agreement stating goods are all good upon delivery as evidence ). The buyer is free to authenticate in RSC(assumming rolex) before the deal. If he doesn't want to authenticate, then it is his duty to ensure everything is fine before the sale. If i do not give a warranty and the buyer agrees to buy it, then anything after the sale is the buyer's responsibility. WHo knows what parts he could change after that? I will not be responsible for it, unless i gave a warranty on parts being genuine. If the buyer is out to con me by changing parts taking advantage of my warranty on parts, then i will change the parts for him in RSC and that would be the last and that buyer would be marked.
Why not you buy a rolex from AD and then change any part of it (like bezel or crystal) and then go back and ask for a full refund, see if u get any warranty or refund? Maybe u do, or maybe u end up in jail. You dare to try?
But im not selling fake watches or parts so wtf should i care about such hyperbolic questions?

Same as once watch leave your hand, any problem is the buyers problem.

[Hiroki]

Crippy & Jimylim already made appointment to solve all this negative problems. I hope we don't continue this thread and exaggerate negative stuffs anymore. This forum is for us to buy, sell and trade. Sometime we do share our experience and info. So Crippy & Jimylim I hope you all settled this problem, and Jimmy get back to this thread I hope to see positive answer. Anyway we live in a small country and we are all part of the family. The world is watching us right now. It's so negative. All bro out there, Crippy & Jimylim already set to solve the problem. Please so not exaggerate negative thoughts

[polarinda]

All your watches have the Rolex Verification reciept?
Your post doesn‘t shows that.
And what if, I only say if, one buyer after a few months later tell you that your watch has a fake part and wanted a refund, what will be your reaction?

If i did not give a warranty before the sale, then all is good when the transaction is done(one could always sign a sales agreement stating goods are all good upon delivery as evidence ). The buyer is free to authenticate in RSC(assumming rolex) before the deal. If he doesn't want to authenticate, then it is his duty to ensure everything is fine before the sale. If i do not give a warranty and the buyer agrees to buy it, then anything after the sale is the buyer's responsibility. WHo knows what parts he could change after that? I will not be responsible for it, unless i gave a warranty on parts being genuine. If the buyer is out to con me by changing parts taking advantage of my warranty on parts, then i will change the parts for him in RSC and that would be the last and that buyer would be marked.
Why not you buy a rolex from AD and then change any part of it (like bezel or crystal) and then go back and ask for a full refund, see if u get any warranty or refund? Maybe u do, or maybe u end up in jail. You dare to try?
But im not selling fake watches or parts so wtf should i care about such hyperbolic questions?

[Rolex116613]

If i have a fake watch or a watch with fake parts that i know, I wouldn't be selling it. I authenticate all my watches after i buy them and before i sell them. Only a jerk sells a fake watch knowing it's fake. Funny u need to even ask.

All your watches have the Rolex Verification reciept?
Your post doesn‘t shows that.
And what if, I only say if, one buyer after a few months later tell you that your watch has a fake part and wanted a refund, what will be your reaction?

[Heng Tin Hong]

The most important thing about a watch is the timing. If one gives a warranty on a watch and does not include warranty on the timing (say within +-10secs) then something major is wrong with that person. I don't care if the watch is magnetised or the movement is shaken after the sale, a timing issue is a timing issue. Short of the buyer smashing the watch with a hammer or throwing it from 20 floors down a pavement, of which clear signs of trauma would be seen anyway, all timing issues should be under the warranty if one gives a "warranty".


You don't give a watch warranty and say i cover the colour of the dial will remain the same colour for 5 months. That's just BS.

If you give a warranty just so that you could sell the watch and not intending to honour it, then you are in serious trouble, both as a seller and as a person. Buyers might not want to buy a watch if no warranty even verbally, is given.

If Jamy's watch is not damaged physically, there's a chance the watch is inherently running wild or got magnetised before or after the sale. None is important, bececause the seller gave a warranty. ANd if that warranty doesn't include timing issues, then he shouldn't be selling a watch in a watch forum.

If you are not sure your watch is running fine, don't give a warranty. Worse if you use the word warranty in a sms. That's evidence.
If you are not prepared to honour a warranty, don't give it.
If you have terms and conditions in your warranty, it should be spelled out in words, even in a sms. Else, it's just non existent.


Lesson learned in this, never take any warranty given verbally in forums seriously. The consequences can be serious.

Never give a warranty just to sell a watch fast and not take responsibility for it. Even if the watch was fine when u had it, u warrantied it, so it's your duty to fix it. Simple as that.


Jamy, if u really like the watch, fix it and move on.

Impossible for a vintage omega to run +\- 10 sec per day.

I bought a 1950 longines,it gain 5 min a day.
To me is fine,old watches is old man.

Even if I sent back to factory,it will run more than 10sec per day after
complete overhaul.

[polarinda]

You don‘t even have money back gurantee if watch or parts of the watch is fake?
Kinda funny.

If i have a fake watch or a watch with fake parts that i know, I wouldn't be selling it. I authenticate all my watches after i buy them and before i sell them. Only a jerk sells a fake watch knowing it's fake. Funny u need to even ask.