Update on the finding of my omega speedmaster mark 2

[Rolex116613]

Hi! You see I never even or pressure him to return the watch to me unless he refuse to address the issue. I offered him a few options:

1) Take the watch home and wear it himself for a week and see how it works (at my own risk--no need to deposit anything to ensure he dont run off with the watch).
2) Send the watch for repair and just return to me.

But he took non of my suggestion cos all he said was that he is not responsible for the fault and no deal. I wish he would have suggest what you stated here...at least we both solve the problem although not entirely happy.

On one hand he guarantee me...after the problem surface --- he said even guarantee has termes which he fail to tell me what it is when I mention to him that he must give me a months guarantee. If we all have terms should we not made it known in the first place?
In his reply yesterday I was surprise that he mention that once the watch is out of the seller's hand, any damage is not the seller's responsibility anymore. Why didnt he tell me that when the subject of guarantee came up? If its based on such terms then what guarantee is there anymore to talk about cos it covers virtually nothing once its out of the seller's hand. Right? Anyway thanks again. Have a great weekend.

Seller not responsible to tell you not to go diving with an old watch before you change the O-rings on the case and crown.
Seller not respondible to tell you not to knock your sapphire glass against hard object.
Seller not responsible to tell you not to drop your watch on the floor.
Seller not responsible to tell you not to place your watch near any magnetic field.
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Seller sure need to be responsible if the watch or it‘s parts is fake.
If fake, total refund with transport fee paid.
Other than that, those sellers whom are users won‘t warranty anything. Some private dealer will because they have lobang to do all these minor repaid for free or with a small cost. Those sellers whom are users also won‘t be able to advice anything if the watch suddenly has an issue, they are as lost as you.
Don‘t have to degrade others religion, integrity and family for such small cases.
If I am the seller, even I know how to fix the issue, I won‘t fix it for you if you start degrading my integrity and family.
The way you deliver the message is important.
How you deliver the message we won‘t know except for u and the seller.
But through the title of your thread and the message you deliver at the start of your thread and the way you flood the forums with multiple same thread, I strongly believe you didn‘t do it properly.

[chiu_peow]

Precisely, you have just realized the most important part. It is specific. Most if not all guarantee has terms and conditions.

Besides, seller did say yes to warranty but never state what is covers.

At the end of the day, one has to realize that buyer is always @ the shorter end of the stick when the money is out of buyer's hands into seller's hand.

Seller has own side of story. Buyer has own side of story. Each will tell one's side of story in interest of oneself.

If i offer you 5 years warranty on timing issues, it means 5 years warranty on timing issues. Should it mean something else?

[JAMYLIM]

Hi! You see I never even or pressure him to return the watch to me unless he refuse to address the issue. I offered him a few options:

1) Take the watch home and wear it himself for a week and see how it works (at my own risk--no need to deposit anything to ensure he dont run off with the watch).
2) Send the watch for repair and just return to me.

But he took non of my suggestion cos all he said was that he is not responsible for the fault and no deal. I wish he would have suggest what you stated here...at least we both solve the problem although not entirely happy.

On one hand he guarantee me...after the problem surface --- he said even guarantee has termes which he fail to tell me what it is when I mention to him that he must give me a months guarantee. If we all have terms should we not made it known in the first place?
In his reply yesterday I was surprise that he mention that once the watch is out of the seller's hand, any damage is not the seller's responsibility anymore. Why didnt he tell me that when the subject of guarantee came up? If its based on such terms then what guarantee is there anymore to talk about cos it covers virtually nothing once its out of the seller's hand. Right? Anyway thanks again. Have a great weekend.

[Rolex116613]

Either you buy the demagnetizer at ~$150 or bring it to any watch repair shop and get it demagnetize.
Time to demagnetize a watch is less than a minute and cost less than a plate of chicken rice, if you know the shop, got free drink somemore.
Don‘t understand why because of a one minute job you all want to treat each other so badly.

It cost $0 for some brothers here, no need chicken rice.

[Rolex116613]

Maybe you can ask some brothers here to help you demagnetize for free or bring you to watch repair shop and get it done for free.
Split the cost of 0 is 0.
Win win situation.

[Rolex116613]

If one gives a guarantee, then one would be responsible for ANY fault of the watch after the sale except crystal breaking or clear signs of trauma to the watch.

Difference between crystal breaking and magnetizing your watch?
What about scratches and dust?

[xiaoli]

Either you buy the demagnetizer at ~$150 or bring it to any watch repair shop and get it demagnetize.
Time to demagnetize a watch is less than a minute and cost less than a plate of chicken rice, if you know the shop, got free drink somemore.
Don‘t understand why because of a one minute job you all want to treat each other so badly.

[polarinda]

So what you are saying is that if a private seller gives 1 month warranty, then anything happens during the period, the seller has to bear? So if I am interested to purchase your U series SD, will you offer me 1 month warranty as to show that you are a sincere and honest seller? And if the watch is not keeping to good time, you will offer to fix it @ your cost?

I believe that if the watch if check carefully prior to completion of transaction, everything is ok, then if anything happens to the watch, the warranty should be in effect. Otherwise no.

If i offer you 5 years warranty on timing issues, it means 5 years warranty on timing issues. Should it mean something else?

[chiu_peow]

So what you are saying is that if a private seller gives 1 month warranty, then anything happens during the period, the seller has to bear? So if I am interested to purchase your U series SD, will you offer me 1 month warranty as to show that you are a sincere and honest seller? And if the watch is not keeping to good time, you will offer to fix it @ your cost?

I believe that if the watch if check carefully prior to completion of transaction, everything is ok, then if anything happens to the watch, the warranty should be in effect. Otherwise no.

If you give a warranty even as a private seller, then it is just poor form if you don't even agree to split the cost of a timing regulation ,doesnt matter who magnetised the watch. Simple as that. If you think that is an ok practice, then do it. Some people give warranty for fun, that we know.

[xiaoli]

Just bring your watch to demagnetize.
You can goto JW to get it done, no need to go RSC.
Cost is not high, they just need to place your watch on a hollow soft iron and run current through the iron and slowly reducing it to zero.
They don‘t even need to open your casing or change any parts.

[polarinda]

If you give a warranty even as a private seller, then it is just poor form if you don't even agree to split the cost of a timing regulation ,doesnt matter who magnetised the watch. Simple as that. If you think that is an ok practice, then do it. Some people give warranty for fun, that we know.

[chiu_peow]

I agree that it is hard to pinpoint when the watch got magnetized.

The only fact is that the watch is not keeping good time. Sometimes fast. Sometimes slow.

Correct me if I am wrong. A watch can be placed on such a device to determine if there is time deviation. This process should take about 5 minutes max.

As mentioned in my previous post, a buyer needs to take all the necessary steps before completing any transaction.

Even if the seller says 1 month guarantee, there is no way to say if the watch was not keeping good time prior to transaction. Only seller knows.

If a buyer does not take all the steps to safeguard the purchase, then it is not fair to claim against the seller even if it is true that the watch is not keeping good time in this case.

If you are the seller and the buyer claims that the watch is not keeping good time after a day or two , when prior to transaction there is no such issue, will you as a seller split the cost of repair?

If the seller wants to split or bear the cost, then it is purely on the seller's goodwill to buyer.

Why buyers want to buy from private seller? Because it is cheaper? Buying from private seller means a buyer has to take the necessary risk once the transaction has completed. If the seller is a commercial dealer, there is a receipt, there is a shop, buyer can go to the shop to get matter ratified.

Why not just cancel the deal? It's very hard to pinpoint magnetism when it's invisible. Who got it magnetised? who knows? when was it magnetised? again who knows?

There's no way Jamy would have known the watch is magnetised when he first bought it, unless it was examined and tested by a Omega technician (at least for a few hours)before the deal. WHo does that kind of arrangement when buying? no one.


Split the repair cost. Nobody wins and everybody wins.

There's no other way.

[polarinda]

Paul,
Im glad you in it now. I will reply in detail tomorrow as its tenious trying to type on tablet. However i am surprise that you now say that "my perception then was that,as a seller, if the product is damaged after leaving the hands of the seller, it is not fair that the seller should be held responsible". Why is it then you didnt tell me this when i said you must guarantee me a month but instead u kept assuring my dont worry no problem. Seriously had you told me this i wouldnt have deal with you. Maybe you should make this clear to everyone here who may be your potential client so that they know that once the watch leave your hands into theirs it is no longer your responsibility..so that everyone is clear about this and decide whether they want to deal with you on this basis if this is your terms of guarantee.,the same verbal guarantee you gave me. Thanks. At least now i am clear about your terms.

If one gives a guarantee, then one would be responsible for ANY fault of the watch after the sale except crystal breaking or clear signs of trauma to the watch.

[polarinda]

Why not just cancel the deal? It's very hard to pinpoint magnetism when it's invisible. Who got it magnetised? who knows? when was it magnetised? again who knows?

There's no way Jamy would have known the watch is magnetised when he first bought it, unless it was examined and tested by a Omega technician (at least for a few hours)before the deal. WHo does that kind of arrangement when buying? no one.

Maybe Crippy knew the watch was magnetised before the deal or maybe he doesn't, who knows? To challenge Crippy about magnetism is fruitless. He can always say the watch was running fine before handover. It's a dead end. Likewise, it's unfair to say Jamy magnetised the watch when he had it for just one day, unless he dropped it or was around strong magnetic fields. 15mins fast is a clear signs of erratic regulation and falls into magnetism category.

Common guys, it's just a watch. Get it demagnetised and split the bill.
I dun think Crippy would like to cancel the deal and hand back a possibly magnetised watch, if it was indeed running fine when he had it.
I dun think Jamy will want to keep a magnetised watch either.


Split the repair cost. Nobody wins and everybody wins.

There's no other way.

[JAMYLIM]

Paul,
Im glad you in it now. I will reply in detail tomorrow as its tenious trying to type on tablet. However i am surprise that you now say that "my perception then was that,as a seller, if the product is damaged after leaving the hands of the seller, it is not fair that the seller should be held responsible". Why is it then you didnt tell me this when i said you must guarantee me a month but instead u kept assuring my dont worry no problem. Seriously had you told me this i wouldnt have deal with you. Maybe you should make this clear to everyone here who may be your potential client so that they know that once the watch leave your hands into theirs it is no longer your responsibility..so that everyone is clear about this and decide whether they want to deal with you on this basis if this is your terms of guarantee.,the same verbal guarantee you gave me. Thanks. At least now i am clear about your terms.