I found this advertisement this guy is just rude...

[Fred_Tan]

Sorry, he is not my boss

er...hokey... speechless

then wat do you call your reply as quoted by Toffeethings to my assumption/opinion about the price of 312? probably advice in your context..:P

just wondering. when your boss comes to you for advice. Do you shoot him and say he is ignorant?

If you have kids and they come to you on something they tht they discovered in school. do you put them down by saying they know nothing and are making baseless and groundless statements?

If someone makes an opinion on this wanton mee is good. Do you screw him and say he only know this stall's wanton mee and should not be talking cos he knows nothing?

oh, perhaps that in your definition is not put down, not shoot. is a friendly advice . oh well, each to his own

When someone repeatedly spew lies (his post has been removed), do u think u will say he's ignorant?

[Fred_Tan]

Well, u need to get one thing right

Too many walls of text. Suggest in future SG-ROC should have a reference check, and sticky certain individuals as "caveat emptor" dealers. Would probably help ease problems such as this?

Regardless of who's wrong/right (or even who's who to begin with ), I'm thinking of the newer guys like myself - I'd appreciate having the facility to read up on buying histories/member's opinions of sellers here. As the WIS proverb goes, "buy the seller - not the watch". No offence to FT, but I certainly began thinking twice after witnessing your VRF ad being pulled (but to give credit where credit is due, you did act fast to remove the ad/address mods' concerns). And I think other people have the right to know, and make the decision for themselves whether or not you're being honest or deceitful.

Just my two cents.

With regard to e braclet ads in VRF, my ads in VRF was pulled at my request.
It was not pulled by owner & moderators there.
Let us be clear, it was pulled at my request.

I posted a respond to pull my own post with regard to the 5508's bracelet in VRF and all other forums.

I have emails from VRF forum owner & moderator that I can forward if u are keen...I also have emails from Moderators here if u r keen

Even mods & esteemed contributors in VRF had expressed doubt that the bracelet are fake...

So dun jump...

[exxondus]

Dun act like a good guy here when u r not

i never said i was a good guy

which part did I say I ever was? shouting lies about me..sigh

[Fred_Tan]

Yeah u r

its preciely cos u nvr answered anything thats why..and precisely its cos i feel that its pathetic that you fail to notice that and hence wanting to give u a chance

nm...i m wasting my time..cos some people can never differentiate btw questions and statements as well as as opinions vs facts.

insecurity i reckon?

Dun act like a good guy here when u r not

[Fred_Tan]

it's u that need help

Your English obviously need tutoring to use devil's advocate on this but I'm not going to discuss semantics with you unless you pay tuition fees.

Yes, if you like to use the word 'mole' so much, I should fulfil your vanity by confirming that I have one on my bum.

Ops....it's sleeping time.

I dun wanna claim that my English is good as I barely pass with a bad credit.
If I wanna be a mole on ur bum, I'll make sure I turn into a cancerous mole to rid ppl like u off this earth.

[wongcheok]

Too many walls of text. Suggest in future SG-ROC should have a reference check, and sticky certain individuals as "caveat emptor" dealers. Would probably help ease problems such as this?

Regardless of who's wrong/right (or even who's who to begin with ), I'm thinking of the newer guys like myself - I'd appreciate having the facility to read up on buying histories/member's opinions of sellers here. As the WIS proverb goes, "buy the seller - not the watch". No offence to FT, but I certainly began thinking twice after witnessing your VRF ad being pulled (but to give credit where credit is due, you did act fast to remove the ad/address mods' concerns). And I think other people have the right to know, and make the decision for themselves whether or not you're being honest or deceitful.

Just my two cents.

[exxondus]

U have anything new to say?
Dun jest keep harping on points that I already made clear.

its preciely cos u nvr answered anything thats why..and precisely its cos i feel that its pathetic that you fail to notice that and hence wanting to give u a chance

nm...i m wasting my time..cos some people can never differentiate btw questions and statements as well as as opinions vs facts.

insecurity i reckon?

[Fred_Tan]

We saw everything, did we...

I only asked a question there just like here, I only asked a question but if you remember some of the US guys quite on to you and Cedric and accused you 2 of being the same and their IP was based in the US, I wonder if they have moles after you posting from the States? We all saw it, we all saw their IP's. Point proven.

I am still there.
The guy from USA is no longer there.
And u r oso no longer there.

So who's at fault?

[KuchingKu]

Unless u fail to read my post, I'm just being devil's advocate.
I'm very sure u never read my post of which I clearly indicate otherwise.
U just wanna pull e trigger.

Are u a trader hiding behind that nick?
Or are u a mole for a trader?

Your English obviously need tutoring to use devil's advocate on this but I'm not going to discuss semantics with you unless you pay tuition fees.

Yes, if you like to use the word 'mole' so much, I should fulfil your vanity by confirming that I have one on my bum.

Ops....it's sleeping time.

[Fred_Tan]

If I really post a fake & never retracted it before I got flagged, do u think

Even more stories......put up a fake for sale. Got pointed out and now claim credit for his honesty....

If I really post a fake & never retracted it before I got flagged, do u think I'll still be posting here.
Common, this is a non-issue & ur just out to make it.

Of course I'm claiming my honesty as I dun others will ever.
Many times, most of ppl who posted fakes will need to be banned & before that they will argue that it is real & not fake.
Did I?

[Fred_Tan]

No arrogance

More stories...and more arrogance.
I must teach my car salesman this phase: 'I am not being arrogance but people say give me a junk also I can outsell a Merc'.

And it is totally wrong to say others will not speak up for flippers or even be reference for them. I have seen many good dealers and flippers giving each other reference. Thot you are member to all watch sites....check out purist. Reference from dealers to dealers/flippers abundance.

Unless u fail to read my post, I'm just being devil's advocate.
I'm very sure u never read my post of which I clearly indicate otherwise.
U just wanna pull e trigger.

Are u a trader hiding behind that nick?
Or are u a mole for a trader?

[Fred_Tan]

Like a broken tape recorder....

er...hokey... speechless

then wat do you call your reply as quoted by Toffeethings to my assumption/opinion about the price of 312? probably advice in your context..:P

just wondering. when your boss comes to you for advice. Do you shoot him and say he is ignorant?

If you have kids and they come to you on something they tht they discovered in school. do you put them down by saying they know nothing and are making baseless and groundless statements?

If someone makes an opinion on this wanton mee is good. Do you screw him and say he only know this stall's wanton mee and should not be talking cos he knows nothing?

oh, perhaps that in your definition is not put down, not shoot. is a friendly advice . oh well, each to his own

U have anything new to say?
Dun jest keep harping on points that I already made clear.

[Fred_Tan]

Sell watches in Taiwan & Japan?

Happy too Freddy. I have lived AND worked in Indonesia for 20 years (this year) and have not had to move and sell watches in Taiwan or Japan because people in Indonesia refuse to deal with me. I also buy and sell watches in Singapore but I am only a small time collector not like you.

I never said I sold any watches in Taiwan & Japan, did I??
I never moved there to sell watches.
My move's for work & not related to watches.

There you go shooting ur foul mouth with lies again.
Stop e lies when u have been caught posting from Jakarta when u claim to be in Spore.

Ur post got deleted in P.com, right?
Is it bcos u attack someone or is it bcos the mods have detected same IP address being used by different nicks?
Pls come back to us on this...

& Yeah, we know what watch u sold recently.
Can see from e "Sold" threads.

Dunno if it's real or not. And dunno if u actually sold a watch.

If I'm e buyer, I'll surely bring it for RSC checks.
Coming from someone who scream repeatedly on e entire weekend for my blood & wanting to see me face2face in Spore to but later say he couldn't come, if I'm e poor buyer who bought a Rolex from u recently, I'll definitely make sure RSC strip every part to check....

Btw, I dunno if u actually sold a watch of was it just a phantom post along with some other phantom post in Kopi corner & Panerai corner to "validate" urself before u spring an attack on me like a mole & troll.

Did someone in Spore offer u discount for ur future watch purchase if u slander me?

Mole & troll 201A....
Pls keep e attack up & maybe u some1 in Spore will knock off a few hundreds off an item u have been eyeing all e way from Jakarta

[KuchingKu]

No one will defend flipper who has got one BNIB PAM317, 217 & 249s too many and have make so much profit when others here have not even got e chance to take sniff


Dun take this wrongly.
I'm not being arrogant here.
I'm just being devil's advocate.

My point is; If there's a flipper here who's been selling some 127s, 217s, 219s, 249s, 317s & 318s (plus one 56 & 301) like hot cakes even when times are bad this last 2 yrs & at good ask price (we don't know e actual transacted price, do we), I'll be mad & I wont' defend him.

But my prob is he still sells...
After being flamed, lynched & attacked by moles in not less than 4 different occasions in SG-ROC in last 2 yrs, he still sells!!

I'm am mad why he still can sell..
By right, if all e accusation is true, this flipper should be banned, jailed & whipped...

After many has been so many have been banned & returned with other nicks to attack him repeatedly, he still sells...WHYYYYYYY!!!!!

I quote a trader here whom I met few mths ago on a short Ching Ming trip back here.
"There's nothing that Fred can't sell"
PM me if u wanna know who he/she is...

I'm not being arrogant here.
Just stating a point that I still sell even when I'm attacked in this SG-ROC forum and it's e only forum that I get attacked...no where else...no where else do I get attack except SG-ROC.

Why?
Maybe moles here can help answer.

Btw, I'm curious why these mole or any member from SG-RIC never attack me in other forum?
They dun dare to create another account with e same IP Add bcos they already have an account there?
Cos we can see the IP Add there?

I'm oso very curious that all e attacks are coming from relatively new members that no one aside from a few other new member have claim to met b4....

More stories...and more arrogance.
I must teach my car salesman this phase: 'I am not being arrogance but people say give me a junk also I can outsell a Merc'.

And it is totally wrong to say others will not speak up for flippers or even be reference for them. I have seen many good dealers and flippers giving each other reference. Thot you are member to all watch sites....check out purist. Reference from dealers to dealers/flippers abundance.

[KuchingKu]

Well Like I said before, I pull the sale off without any1 here in SG-ROC telling me to.
I informed the moderators immediately & one of them even voluntered to help me.
So I didn't sell or deliver any fake bracelets watch.
Careful with your words here.
U r accusing me of knowingly & intentionally selling a watch with a fake bracelet that even the moderators & most esteemed member in VRF cannot accertain...I have emails from them that I can send to u if u r interested.

I have took side-by-side pictures of the bracelet thanks to a SG-ROC member here who was kind enough to PM me & even come out to see me with his bracelet when he found out from my responce to my own sale thread that my bracelet is fake.

Thank to his help I was determine that the bracelet is in fact a fake when even esteemed member & moderators in VRF can't by taking some photos.

The fact remain that I pull the sale post without being told to do so in all forums...Other flipper/ seller / traders will just post a withdrawal without any indication that the bracelet is fake.

Also, no one including the moderator in VRF or any esteemed members there even told me to remove my post.
The post was removed at my request.
No moderators & esteemed member in VRF even questioned my bracelet.
In fact they can't even tell & was bewildered when I request for e post to be pulled.
I have emails from em & I can forward to anyone here who's interested.

So u tell me who's not being honest & truthful here?
U or me?
U r not being truthful for twisting the situation & making is appear that I intentionally cheated.

And I did state clearly that my 'rojak' watch is an assembled piece in my post.
So do not twist my words here.

You are obviously spewing lies & out to lynch me

Even more stories......put up a fake for sale. Got pointed out and now claim credit for his honesty....