I found this advertisement this guy is just rude...

[exxondus]

I posted this to you this morning, quoting what you posted.
calling others coward not putting names, how about you ?





As for your above example of "Tan ### #####", I can even get any of the following to make a transfer to you.

Cedric, Lim, Fried Wan Tan or Rusell, Teo, Chong
or you want W.Buffett, B.Gates, you name it i can make it happen.

Do not fool us, name of the person that make a transfer can be ANY "name".

Agree with the above

if use internet banking hor, I can even put the sender of the money as Tom Cruise and receiver to be Angelina Jolie (ps, don tell Brad Pitt).

[Keith8896]

More than 2400+ views and not even one person bothered to defend him. It speaks volume of his character and what others think of him. Yet he keeps on digging the hole deeper for himself

If he is so good why no customer of his stand up for him ?

[Keith8896]

Fred why you ignore me

Dun be a coward.
Say it right here with names.

I think the moderator should check your IP address.
It could be coming from grey traders shop in shopping complex....

I posted this to you this morning, quoting what you posted.
calling others coward not putting names, how about you ?

A moderator here had received payment from my POSBank/DBS account with "Tan ### #####" name 2 mths ago.
He can proof my identity.

Can e moles here do e same & bank in say SGD1.00 to moderator account thru hassle free iBanking.
I'm very sure every1 has POSBank here.

As for your above example of "Tan ### #####", I can even get any of the following to make a transfer to you.

Cedric, Lim, Fried Wan Tan or Rusell, Teo, Chong
or you want W.Buffett, B.Gates, you name it i can make it happen.

Do not fool us, name of the person that make a transfer can be ANY "name".

[Fred_Tan]

Well, it's ur loss & my gain

and yes, so your logic applies to you cause you are obviously in for the $.
but for me, and alot of ppl, this reasoning does not apply.
you must appreciate that your way is not the only way.

BUT, I dun wan that.
Everyone here should realize the implications of using different nicks.
Those in e know may not wanna share this little meaningless trick.

But if u wanna to collect watch over long term, using a single consistent nick should be encouraged.

It's like when u buy a watch today to wear.
U couldn't care if it come with boxes as u r buying a watch, not 2/3-boxes.
U couldn't care if e watch have no bezel & case rubber protector.
U couldn't give hoot if e product tag & tang tie is not there.
Who cares if the corresponding year catalogue is not given?
Why would u care if the watch is 4, 5, 6 & 9 in serials?
U dun care if the lugs have been rounded and u can pick ur tooth with the lugs.
If the sticker is missing, who cares?

U just wanna wear & it's ur money.
U do whatever u want w ur money.
Why should I care?
It's none of my business.

Why do I go around & tell ppl who care about their watch value to watch out for swapped parts?

How much $ du u think I earn from flipping?
Do u think I made profit on all my watch?
Do u wanna see my receipts/invoice?
U guys

Well, I care.
And that's y I complete all my watches and ensured no unwanted digits.
And it's e reason I wrote here awhile ago telling ppl not to mess around with IWC, PP, AP, Rolex and certain PAM models

U may not care...
But someone here could be enlightened.

Do u think telling ppl what not to buy & what to buy will make me more sales & $?
Have look at the number of Panerai that I've been selling?
It now average one/mth.

Of course who gives a heck?
Those that bothered to read understand my points in my threads have kept their watch mart value or at e very least, minimize e losses and prevented emselves from buying watches not as described by known bad traders.

Many have SMS & even called me to talk & I'm happi to help many ppl.
Of course all this is just a watch.
U buy, u wear.
Who cares if it is just a another 65% price drop after stepping out of AP boutique?

Those who dun are now counting what i t could have been.
Sometimes, u never know what changes in future could bring.

U may need to sell ur watch due to medical emergency, chronic illnesses, long term hospice & nursing care, funeral, divorse, (choy choy touch wood), property, car purchase, wedding, divorce....

It's during this time u realize maybe u can't get good price cos u got e wrong model cos they made one too many....
Or maybe u r missing sticker, rubbers, tags, box & etc....
or ur watch millesimation has "4", "5", "6" & "9" that may not be so desirable by e Chinese/Japs/Koreans/etc.

Of course all this are my bullocks...
Fish! I'm begining to sound like a insurance agent! (who cares)

Anyway, the forum is place to speak ur mind.
If u wanna to scream at me for flipping, pls do so.

But pls do not go around to insult me, spread lies about me using multi-ID/names & antagonize others against me.

I did nothing wrong here.

In actual, I've been wronged by all e name calling here in past 2-3 weeks and worst with all e lies spouted here by certain characters here 'bout me showing up as 2 person in a GTG, trying to knowingly & intentionally sell a fake bracelet, impersonating as Cedric Lim, insulting others, magically showing up in Japan & Spore in 45min, working in JV Fitness, using Rusell, Chong, Teo names and being everything that moles here have been lynching on me of late.

Btw, to all e moles here, try harder....

[KuchingKu]

You said you are based in Japan now right.....then come here for a while right..

then this post means you staying here for 3 months?

"Get this rare BNIB Inversed FIDDY before I withdraw it due to my overseas trip for 3mths"

Then why leaving on 15 June?

Wow...really blur or I just wait for another story.

[KuchingKu]

Sorry Guys but this guy seems to know ALL according to his advertisement but he does not list the 202/A as a PVD nor does anyone here think they can meet all of this boy's requirements and all the proof he asks for? I own a 201/A and I know I cannot and I showed the ad to a famous PAM dealer in Switzerland and he said the guy seems to be very young and not insecure of purchasing anythin, of course this was his personal opinion.


WTB: Any Pre-Vendome PAMs
June 5 2010 at 7:34 AM
from IP address 203.118.41.106

Looking for one for the the following Pre-Vendome PAMs:

5218-201/A 1993 "Logo" Luminor
5218-201/A Slytech Submersible
5218-202/A 1993 Marina Militare
5218-203/A 1994 PVD Luminor Marina
5218-207/A 1996 Slytech Daylight
5218-209
5218-210
5218-218/A 1996 Black Seal
5218-301/A 1993 Mare Nostrum
5218-302 1995 Slytech Mare Nostrum
5218-304 1995 Slytech Mare Nostrum

Case, Crown, Lever, Crown Bridge, Caseback & Bezel MUST be unpolished.
No "4", "5", "6" & "9" in the millesimation.
Singapore face-2-face deal only.
Pics & best price please.

U must know the all service/repair history since e day e watch is outta Firenze.
And, pls don't use excuse that you got this watch from someone else & don't know what happened to this watch previously.
I will not buy any watch without ownership history & u have to prove it with reference, post in forum, receipts & invoices.

Singapore/HK/Indon/Msia grey-dealers with shops in town who polished ur watches and sell them as LNIB, Excelent & Minty and claim otherwise or feign ignorance of what actually happened to e watch when it's under previous owership hand and sell by guise of "as it is consignment", pls don't ask your runner/moles to ask me out as I know all ur so called safe queens' millesimation and I have unpolished case, bezel, lever, crown, crown bridge & caseback for comparison.
I even know which shop u get it done & when u get done.

If ur millesimation is altered, pls dun bother.

Pls do not email me out if u cannot meet ALL the above conditions as I don't wish to waste your time.

Thanks.

Rgds,

From someone who such high std and want best price.....to paying $30K for a 217 this afternoon ( according to FT)?

FS: BNIB Destro Fiddy PAM217H (Fred Tan)
June 5 2010 at 4:56 AM
Fred Tan (Login Fred_Tan)
from IP address 218.186.10.239

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For sale, all time beautiful & great collectors' timepiece:

BNIB Luminor 1950 Marina Militare Steel 47mm Destro FIDDY SE 2005 PAM217H 2-Box & Full Undated & Unnamed Papers SGD30,000

This Cedric must be an international man of mystery!!! And one who has not even uttered a sound here.

How convenient.....201/A invited you out for gtg with the group...no sound. Before that said me to invite you out for Wantan mee and can reach anywhere in Sg within 45 mins. When asked about gtg say not in singapore. When uncovered that IP is in Sg, say back for something till 15 June.....think if after 15 June uncovered for using local IP, got another story.....think would make a better career wariting for mediacorp.

[Ender]

Well I will keep my spreadsheet in my tree (never had e intention to share; it's trade secret, u know).
I will con't to bark at ppl who lies bout being treated badly in Richemont Service Ctr, misinform other members bout things that aren't true, cheat with stories that no one can verify, spread baseless accusations and insult other members like me while still have the cheek to ask for apologies...
I never say I'm an expert.
Never in any forum & here in SG-ROC!
Far from that, I'm merely stating what I see with the information that I have collected & predict what I think will happen.
The forums here do not say I cannot say such things.
Things that I have predicted had happened.
BTW, I like e drama bout my spreadsheet u guys have been playing up here.
Keep it up....

Well I will keep my spreadsheet in my tree (never had e intention to share; it's trade secret, u know).
I will con't to bark at ppl who lies bout being treated badly in Richemont Service Ctr (my wife was treated badly when she sent in her 49 for servicing, my mate when he sent in his destro... these are not lies),
misinform other members bout things that aren't true (well, of the top of my head, i cannot recall anyone else on this forum with a proven fact of trying to sell a fake rolex bracelet and also selling a 'rojak' complete rolex on the basis that potential buyers should know that that it was a rojak assembled piece),
cheat with stories that no one can verify (i think alot of members still waiting for you to substantiate like what triton has requested),
spread baseless accusations and insult other members like me (i really donno whether to laugh or weep when i read this) while still have the cheek to ask for apologies...
I never say I'm an expert (ehm, according to your previous posts, you are the one with the sacred Excel manual recording all 'valid' pam transactions right?)

this' probably my last post on this thread unless something new comes up...

Ender

[GadgetGuy]

More than 2400+ views and not even one person bothered to defend him. It speaks volume of his character and what others think of him. Yet he keeps on digging the hole deeper for himself

[exxondus]

Haha, Bro Exondus, why would you be banned? You did not insult anybody, right?

Let's not spend more time posting unnecessary replies to those who appear to be less sensitive than us and are possibly 'ignorant' of local decorum.

Do you realize we could have spent this time chatting about and laughing over a beer with other bros instead?

Let's work on that someday in a place filled with watches and XMM to beo!

ya man, def will meet up with you one day...I pm you again soon ....no XMM also nm lah haha....

exxodus, the post you have put up as to 'Selective Memory' Tan's rants against you, ppl can read and form their own opinion.
if you are thinking that he will reflect upon his own email, and offer some form of apology for any misunderstanding caused, i think you wait nong nong; you probably get more result out of watching your toenails grow.
i really hope you are not turned off Pams by his rants; the watches are what they are, but Pam has a community of collectors that are really unique in terms of fellowship.

No no, me not turn off by PAM cos PAM is not about Fred me still targeting a 312 in the near future hee hee....

but you very sharp hee....know its selectve memory keke....was wondering if i was obvious enuff anot

now showing masked magicion on channel 5 le.....i wanna see him 'predict' something too

[exxondus]

Well I will keep my spreadsheet in my tree (never had e intention to share; it's trade secret, u know).

I will con't to bark at ppl who lies bout being treated badly in Richemont Service Ctr, misinform other members bout things that aren't true, cheat with stories that no one can verify, spread baseless accusations and insult other members like me while still have the cheek to ask for apologies...

I never say I'm an expert.
Never in any forum & here in SG-ROC!

Far from that, I'm merely stating what I see with the information that I have collected & predict what I think will happen. The forums here do not say I cannot say such things.

Things that I have predicted had happened.
BTW, I like e drama bout my spreadsheet u guys have been playing up here.
Keep it up....

well, since you mentioned predictions, so in your world, predictions are considered facts if they are from Fred the prophet?

You go round shooting people's assumptions and opinions whenever they do not agree with how you feel about things and then have the cheek to say that your predictions are considred facts and not baseless nor groundless?

this is something new to me. and well done man btw., did you also predict that instead of earning money, you would end up buying a rollie with a fake braclet? gosh, I really cant imagine.

[toffeesthings]

to be honest, i was insulted when I read his reply that day. especially when I was just posting a comment in a what was otherwise had been a very family and friendly SGROC.

He could have also been feeling overly sensitive to retort in that manner to my otherwise harmless post. Alternatively, probably being insecured of his position might have been the trigger and hence, warrant him to retort in such a hostile manner.

think I am also like you, kinda sensitive hor WHERE IS MY XMM

on a side note, I think I better not over do such posts least I tio ban ban

Haha, Bro Exondus, why would you be banned? You did not insult anybody, right?

Let's not spend more time posting unnecessary replies to those who appear to be less sensitive than us and are possibly 'ignorant' of local decorum.

Do you realize we could have spent this time chatting about and laughing over a beer with other bros instead?

Let's work on that someday in a place filled with watches and XMM to beo!

[Ender]

Fred, from whatever that I have read with regard to your posts thus far, be it on PAM's mkt, Rolex mkt. you are absolutely ignorant and most of your claims based on your limited knowledge, is insuifficient to speak for the whole market itself.
Now, to prevent yourself from wasting everyone's time further, please stop barking up the wrong tree as apparently, all you know is only within books, as well as an excel spreadsheet, which, anyone can easily conjure up without proper evidence. -> note if Fred can say things like no one likes to wear the same watch anymore and all those generation have died, I do not see what this paragraph cannot be considered as a fact too.
Please. do not give baseless assumptions like no one likes to wear the same watch and stuff like that. It only shows how puny one's mindframe can be and together with an absolute refusal to accept the common fact that there is a greater world out there.
There. I have give factual comments that are not baseless since your opinons can be considered factual, I do not see why anyone elses cannot be claimed otherwise.
AND like you mentioned and per your context with what defines an insult, I did not attack nor put you down. With regard to your reputaion on all the huge information in your posts, People can decide if you are really as knowledgable as what you claimed, or you are merely making personal assumptions and claiming them as fact in your posts.
cheers!

exxodus, the post you have put up as to 'Selective Memory' Tan's rants against you, ppl can read and form their own opinion.
if you are thinking that he will reflect upon his own email, and offer some form of apology for any misunderstanding caused, i think you wait nong nong; you probably get more result out of watching your toenails grow.
i really hope you are not turned off Pams by his rants; the watches are what they are, but Pam has a community of collectors that are really unique in terms of fellowship.

[Fred_Tan]

My puny mind

Fred, from whatever that I have read with regard to your posts thus far, be it on PAM's mkt, Rolex mkt. you are absolutely ignorant and most of your claims based on your limited knowledge, is insuifficient to speak for the whole market itself.

Now, to prevent yourself from wasting everyone's time further, please stop barking up the wrong tree as apparently, all you know is only within books, as well as an excel spreadsheet, which, anyone can easily conjure up without proper evidence. -> note if Fred can say things like no one likes to wear the same watch anymore and all those generation have died, I do not see what this paragraph cannot be considered as a fact too.

Please. do not give baseless assumptions like no one likes to wear the same watch and stuff like that. It only shows how puny one's mindframe can be and together with an absolute refusal to accept the common fact that there is a greater world out there.

There. I have give factual comments that are not baseless since your opinons can be considered factual, I do not see why anyone elses cannot be claimed otherwise.

AND like you mentioned and per your context with what defines an insult, I did not attack nor put you down. With regard to your reputaion on all the huge information in your posts, People can decide if you are really as knowledgable as what you claimed, or you are merely making personal assumptions and claiming them as fact in your posts.

cheers!

Well I will keep my spreadsheet in my tree (never had e intention to share; it's trade secret, u know).

I will con't to bark at ppl who lies bout being treated badly in Richemont Service Ctr, misinform other members bout things that aren't true, cheat with stories that no one can verify, spread baseless accusations and insult other members like me while still have the cheek to ask for apologies...

I never say I'm an expert.
Never in any forum & here in SG-ROC!

Far from that, I'm merely stating what I see with the information that I have collected & predict what I think will happen.
The forums here do not say I cannot say such things.

Things that I have predicted had happened.
BTW, I like e drama bout my spreadsheet u guys have been playing up here.
Keep it up....

[Ender]

So If we met I told u I'm "MagnetUnDiluted" from this forum and "FishyShortJohn" from another forum, how do u verify that?
And I told u, "But these 2 are just my nicks, my real name is "SarawakCat".
How do u verify that?
Maybe u dun care as a buyer if I just give u wat u need and as long as what I sell u is authentic & in condition that u specified.
U go home & u forget bout e seller.
But, what do I get as seller?
The seller who use multi-nick has lost e change to establish his network and establish a wider relationship across different brands/ forum/ countries & etc with multi-nicks....
Which is easier to remember?
Different nick in different forum or just one nick across all?
Flippers/sellers will never use multi-nicks to buy/sell.
It's simple business sense.

and yes, so your logic applies to you cause you are obviously in for the $.
but for me, and alot of ppl, this reasoning does not apply.
you must appreciate that your way is not the only way.

[Ender]

Moderator here have received $ from me under the account of Mr Tan XX thru POSBank/DBSBank iBanking transfer for a purchase.
So if I dun speak e truth, moderators here in SG-ROC can ban me and inform all moderators all all watch site in other forums.
I cannot name e moderator here.
But pls ban me if I'm lying

still fail to see your logic...