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  • chetm
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    Originally posted by SamGMT View Post
    All a long, I'm a strong supporter of PAP...however, after seeing those young PAP members (go YouTube and see), it worries me! I'm not worried about PAP but worried for Singapore and we Singaporean. Can't PAP get people like Nicole Seah, just take a look at that Tin Pei Ling, I almost fainted! I hope for the next 5 years PAP will really do something and win back the support from the people of Singapore....
    "I dun know what to say lah!!! " (stamping her feet) - omg!!! this A-team.....zzzzzzzz
    without GRC, she's damn....there goes 15K for her branded bags subsidies

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  • toffeesthings
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    Originally posted by TanWL View Post
    Just my tot . I find that this time round the WP is selfish to contest with George Yeo and cause s'pore as a whole to lose a good states man. There are other GRCs which they can & should go to. Both are good man which majority of people won't want to lose but there can only be one. So I guess they chose WP as there are no other Opp that is as good as him and the rest is history. I wonder how much tot is for self and how much is for s'pore as a whole. Just my tot
    I think some will beg to differ slightly, it is precisely that WP cares for Singapore as a whole and need to have a more balanced representation that they decided to rally together and contest in a GRC. Poor GY was just collateral damage, can't really blame the WP. Besides, it was MM who challenged them to contest in a GRC. And they took it.

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  • toffeesthings
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    Originally posted by larry88
    And GY lose out also because of GRC. I guess it works both way!
    Ha, I'd rather have GY and NS than TPL and FMH or that guy who did not serve NS. Shows us that the GRC system cuts both ways.

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  • KuchingKu
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    I still feel if TPL vs NS in a SMC.....TPL will be flatly beaten. The problem of GRC cause TPL to be an MP while NS lose out.

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  • voltshin
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    those people who joined PAP are different from the past now. most of them joined for the purpose of high paycheck and a stepping stone to go into high position in MNC.

    i always feel that new candidate should always be in SMC. maybe those places that they helped as grassroot leader. the people will vote them if they really feel the person is the right one. not just tag along some high profile ministers and become elected MPs.

    are they really grassroot leaders in the past for a long time or just couple of months?

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  • SamGMT
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    All a long, I'm a strong supporter of PAP...however, after seeing those young PAP members (go YouTube and see), it worries me! I'm not worried about PAP but worried for Singapore and we Singaporean. Can't PAP get people like Nicole Seah, just take a look at that Tin Pei Ling, I almost fainted! I hope for the next 5 years PAP will really do something and win back the support from the people of Singapore....

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  • TanWL
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    Originally posted by 4Dvisor View Post
    Why most of us say G. Yeo is good? What happen if he is the minister for ND or Transport? No one tell whether he will keep HDB flats price affordable Or prevent transport fares from going up. Izit because he is the foreign minister and in charge a ministry tat implement policies tat dun concern us... And every one felt bad for him when he lost in GE 2011? Will u feel bad for MBT(housing), VB(YOG), RL(transport) if they lost? Yes or no?
    "Will u feel bad for MBT(housing), VB(YOG), RL(transport) if they lost? Yes or no?" Not really, Yes, Not really.
    I believe foreign policies affect us. As a small red dot how do we maintain our pride and sovereignty against those bigger countries is important.

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  • 4Dvisor
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    Why most of us say G. Yeo is good? What happen if he is the minister for ND or Transport? No one tell whether he will keep HDB flats price affordable Or prevent transport fares from going up. Izit because he is the foreign minister and in charge a ministry tat implement policies tat dun concern us... And every one felt bad for him when he lost in GE 2011? Will u feel bad for MBT(housing), VB(YOG), RL(transport) if they lost? Yes or no?

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  • breitling77
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    Hope this is a wake up call for PAP. They should know ppl's frustration and unhappiness. And choose the new candidates correctly. It's disappointing to remove some veterans and replace with some young ones or those top scholars. Hope they could learn from Oppositon to find some good calibres ppl who really know what commoners want and listen to them. Stop all those lousy policies and come out with more realistic and correct plans. Remove GRC to bring in good talented candidates with real elections. Stop those candidates to come in with the help of someone.

    It's a pity that Chiam lost coz the one who let go Mas should be punished. It's so obvious that mistakes by someone can just simply be ignored. We were taught to admit mistakes and say sorry immediately. Not till elections then admit sorry. What's the point? And hope HDB could really be affordable for all Singaporeans.

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  • TanWL
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    Originally posted by toffeesthings View Post
    Fully agree with you on this Bro! I'd rather have experienced/credible people like George Yeo and Tan Jee Say as MP than some young, inexperienced wet behind the ears characters representing the needs of the people in parliament. That's why in many ways, the GRC system is flawed, especially when deserving candidates from all parties are denied seats in parliament.
    Just my tot . I find that this time round the WP is selfish to contest with George Yeo and cause s'pore as a whole to lose a good states man. There are other GRCs which they can & should go to. Both are good man which majority of people won't want to lose but there can only be one. So I guess they chose WP as there are no other Opp that is as good as him and the rest is history. I wonder how much tot is for self and how much is for s'pore as a whole. Just my tot

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  • triton
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    sorry, it was my mistake. i did not scroll thru to the right.
    your figure is correct


    Originally posted by clokwerk oranje View Post
    where did you get the 10% figure?... in all constituencies its hovering around the 2% figure, except for AMK where it was 3%...

    for a figure as high as you've quoted, it would have taken a lot of protest votes to get it up there... and that would have been something to think about for both sides of the fence...

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  • exxondus
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    Originally posted by toffeesthings View Post
    Fully agree with you on this Bro! I'd rather have experienced/credible people like George Yeo and Tan Jee Say as MP than some young, inexperienced wet behind the ears characters representing the needs of the people in parliament. That's why in many ways, the GRC system is flawed, especially when deserving candidates from all parties are denied seats in parliament.
    Yeh agree on this as well as whom you mentioned.

    Honestly, I feel that if they want to train or give chance to the new young birds, they should just take them in as apprentice kind of role where they can shadow and learn from the capable old birds, rather than actually giving them an office/seat in this case.

    Only time will tell how this will turn out. Let's hope for the best.

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  • clokwerk oranje
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    Originally posted by toffeesthings View Post
    Fully agree with you on this Bro! I'd rather have experienced/credible people like George Yeo and Tan Jee Say as MP than some young, inexperienced wet behind the ears characters representing the needs of the people in parliament. That's why in many ways, the GRC system is flawed, especially when deserving candidates from all parties are denied seats in parliament.
    depending on which side of the fence you sit, the GRC system can be seen as a bane or a blessing... if there was any flaw, it rests solely on the electorate, ie. us, the citizens...

    it is the political incumbent's duty to maintain power using any constitutional means at their disposal... back when the motion for the GRC system was proposed and then passed to amend the constitution, did we do enough to stop it from being carried out?... we didn't and who's fault is that?...

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  • toffeesthings
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    Originally posted by exxondus View Post
    I would trade some of the elected MPs for some of the failed to be elected MPs.

    but guess this is one of the disadvantages of the GRC grouping. Let's hope those that are weaker but got in probably due to being paired with a stronger leader is able to live up to expectations and not hide behind the scene. We'll see
    Fully agree with you on this Bro! I'd rather have experienced/credible people like George Yeo and Tan Jee Say as MP than some young, inexperienced wet behind the ears characters representing the needs of the people in parliament. That's why in many ways, the GRC system is flawed, especially when deserving candidates from all parties are denied seats in parliament.

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  • clokwerk oranje
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    Originally posted by triton View Post
    According to GE Results, there is close to 10% of invalid votes.

    Do you think these 10% of void (invalid) votes will make a difference in those close contest area like potong pasir?
    where did you get the 10% figure?... in all constituencies its hovering around the 2% figure, except for AMK where it was 3%...

    for a figure as high as you've quoted, it would have taken a lot of protest votes to get it up there... and that would have been something to think about for both sides of the fence...

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