Cheated By Seller!

[mike1972]

it is alright to blacklist a seller when a potential deal falls through because of fake parts or fake watch is to be sold as a geniune product. however this case is slightly different.

from what i understand since post 1, there was no attempt to get the watch verified @ the start of the transaction. there is also no agreed upon verification of watch between buyer and seller prior to dealing. i was caught in this situation before. i bought a watch and got it verified like later @ RSC hands and glass were found to be non-authentic, did i call the seller? yes i did and told the seller about RSC results but i did not ask for refund or discount. cause the fault is mine for not agreeing with seller that i will verify the watch prior to dealing. so am i cheated?

in another case, seller and i agree that i will verify the watch prior to transaction. RSC results, hands bent, glass cracked. seller rectified things
and deal went through.

as mentioned, some people will say buy the seller. if you trust the seller and choose not to verify before the deal and parts/watch turn out to be fake, there is no turning back. i have mentioned before, the price you pay for verification is peace of mind. rolex verification cost is 75, it is cheaper compared to many other leading brands and they can do it for you on the spot.

What if he is selling the fake watch ? Can we report to police ????

[triton]

it is alright to blacklist a seller when a potential deal falls through because of fake parts or fake watch is to be sold as a geniune product. however this case is slightly different.

from what i understand since post 1, there was no attempt to get the watch verified @ the start of the transaction. there is also no agreed upon verification of watch between buyer and seller prior to dealing. i was caught in this situation before. i bought a watch and got it verified like later @ RSC hands and glass were found to be non-authentic, did i call the seller? yes i did and told the seller about RSC results but i did not ask for refund or discount. cause the fault is mine for not agreeing with seller that i will verify the watch prior to dealing. so am i cheated?

in another case, seller and i agree that i will verify the watch prior to transaction. RSC results, hands bent, glass cracked. seller rectified things and deal went through.

as mentioned, some people will say buy the seller. if you trust the seller and choose not to verify before the deal and parts/watch turn out to be fake, there is no turning back. i have mentioned before, the price you pay for verification is peace of mind. rolex verification cost is 75, it is cheaper compared to many other leading brands and they can do it for you on the spot.

[williamsgl]

This is one of the absurb post I ever read! 1st post, "Cheated by Seller" headline. Then after call the seller about the fake link, hang up on him (pissed) and finally forgive the seller for the fake link and let him have a road to walk. I don't understand the contradiction...why bother to alert everyone in the first place when you have already "forgiven" the seller...

[evets]

Ouch...


$100 for the spare link is not cheap...guys how much is RSC selling the link?

blacklist the seller and u should get him to compensate u! thats the least he can do..since he might be a innocent party too..

[kenkelvin]

hi pls allow me to share my own views. if a guy bought a watch from another guy without verification, after dealing, if he found out that the watch is fake or not as described, i don think he should give bad rating to the seller because he accepted it. what if the seller said it not his fault cause u checked liao, u yourself don 1 verify, anything can happen after i left the watch with u, blah blah example. in a sense it correct, (benefit of the doubt to seller) but if on the spot never agreed, if the description of the watch is not the same as what the seller claimed or fake, i think it better to rate the seller so 1st to warn others, 2nd to tell seller don anyhow try to be funny. it not to a bad thing. that what itrader is for and will certainly make the whole pic clearer rather then after a period of time, u accuse me, i accuse me then arguements again. also what moderators are doing now is correct, there have to be law and order, cannot anyhow start thread to argue and there will be no end to it. what moderators can do is ask the involved parties to pm or maybe if as per agreed start only a main thread (at least if we outsiders really wanna know about what actually happen but cant and cannot comments because we dono what really happen and not fair to say much) and only the parties involved can contribute to the thread (no vulgarity and rudeness) and (no 1 can interfere, be it really of concern or add fuel to fire)

sorry for saying too much in my views.

[StanleyWee]

bro i'm just saying in general, for the benefit of the other bros, that paying $75 for peace of mind is good practice.. but of course to each's own discretion and judgement...

another thing is that i'm just wondering again out loud.... as per above you said that you went to RSC to get that link checked...

this post below however from yr other thread 'fake bracelet links'... you are asking if RSC checks links... when exactly did you go to RSC? immediately after you got home when you bought the watch a month ago...... or between yesterday, 7.36pm to yesterday, 10:05pm (sg-roc forum time).

Bro, when I reach home to resize on that very day itself.

[ricnas1]

I did not pay $75 to verify the link. As the link was obviously giving way as it is a bit small and was forced in to the above link. So the aunty that one look and tell me that it is fake and she also asked the tech inside. The tech removed the fake link and one of the lady tell me luckily the watch is genuine. She keyed in my warranty card no and returned the watch to me FOC. But no pouch and handkerchief lah.

bro i'm just saying in general, for the benefit of the other bros, that paying $75 for peace of mind is good practice.. but of course to each's own discretion and judgement...

another thing is that i'm just wondering again out loud.... as per above you said that you went to RSC to get that link checked...

this post below however from yr other thread 'fake bracelet links'... you are asking if RSC checks links... when exactly did you go to RSC? immediately after you got home when you bought the watch a month ago...... or between yesterday, 7.36pm to yesterday, 10:05pm (sg-roc forum time).

thanks bros for the details, as I heard that are alot of vintage watches using fake extra links. Just wonder whether Rolex centre check the links?

[StanleyWee]

I started the fake bracelet link as i would like to know how RSC tell the genuine of the Bracelet links if there is no sign of defects. I bought the watch 02weeks ago and I was busy during the new year. I already mentioned that dexter sudden said is not true.

[ricnas1]

sorry bro, i'm just wondering..

after re-reading the thread again, why post now abt yr experience after weeks has gone by? this incident i'd reckon is something serious to warrant immediate posting to seek advice from our bros here...

if not then... like whateva word bro dexter said....

plus you started another thread abt 'fake bracelet links' first prior to this one...

[StanleyWee]

I did not pay $75 to verify the link. As the link was obviously giving way as it is a bit small and was forced in to the above link. So the aunty that one look and tell me that it is fake and she also asked the tech inside. The tech removed the fake link and one of the lady tell me luckily the watch is genuine. She keyed in my warranty card no and returned the watch to me FOC. But no pouch and handkerchief lah.

[ricnas1]

my two cents worth....

if it was sold as BNIB/NIB... then no way shld there be a link that is aftermarket....

its always good practice to do the RSC verification.... $75 for peace of mind... is a good trade off....

something like this does leave a sour aftertaste to a somewhat possible good feeling after having made a watch purchase...

and since it has been verified that the link was indeed fake, then maybe the seller cld refund the TS for that link.... if not then let the matter close... take it that the savings you got from having bought the watch is $100 less...

the seller also go the watch from another source... so either the seller got 'cheated' himself or put that link knowingly.... we will never know for sure....

caveat emptor...

[jarren]

RSC verification got include checking the fake links meh?

RSC check everything from top to bottom(watch only, not your body ).

[Oceanklassik]

I share same sentiments with some. It seems to me there are only good things to see here in this forum. No one is allowed to say bad things here but why? Don't get me wrong but my reference of 'bad' = things that are true encounter/experience but not good to know type. When things happen, then it's your bad luck for not checking enough. Heh! Where to check in this forum when we are not allowed to speak up the truth?!

Yes, there may be wrong accusations or malicious untruths but aren't we mature enough to understand? Yes (again), legal issues such as defamation may arise but does telling truths tantamount to defamation? A good example is STOMP! where people post cases of road encounters with pictures of cars and drivers/owners/passengers, running one another down shamelessly. Got defamation? Btw, I just read a case in STOMP! on a carpark bully in Vivocity. Got pictures of lady pasenger and car with registration number. Public shaming some more. Got defamation issue?

[jazz_samz]

I agree with James, I see the need to make known to forumers via itrader who is the seller that made this transaction grey. The seller needs to be sure of the stuff he is selling. For links in your case, its seriously beyond us to know if its non-original. That should not be the buyers responsibility of "NOT CHECKING PROPERLY".
If the seller has a negative rating with sufficient description made, I believe it won't fully deter buyers from this seller with 1 negative rating if he still offers good deals and become more honest with his items on the sell list. (He "cleans up his act" by becoming more thorough.)

I feel that the seller MUST be honest with his item on sale. Whether the item was purchased from an Overseas AD or from a previous owner, he must have done his own round of QC first. In this instance if he overlook this issue, he should honour it and pay for the replacement.

On the flipside of things bro, lucky you that you learn this lessson only with a non-original link.. imagine if you transacted without proper verification and the entire watch is fake, it would have been disasterous...

hi bro,

no one is able to tell if the links are fakes because we're not expert...we cannot say that it's buyer's responsibilities for not checking thoroughly for your case.

so what if the seller have good feedbacks for all his sales...and you want to give him a road to walk...the truth is he's being dishonest or ignorant when he bought the watch from overseas/other sources...by giving him a bad rating you're helping us as members to be careful and also him as seller because he may not know that he's bought a watch with issues...

to not "expose" him is not doing any parties good...and it defeats the purpose of itrader..

do we walk away when we witness a car accident and possibly others may get hurt in the future ?...no doubt it's a serious crime and may not be an apple to apple comparison but this is a misrepresentation that needs to be addressed.

whether it triggers a war or not is irrelevant...it doesn't mean we won't buy from the seller anymore...we recognize good deals here but buyers will be more careful and take the extra step of verifying teeh watch when dealing with him

cheers

james

[God Of Watches]

hi bro,

no one is able to tell if the links are fakes because we're not expert...we cannot say that it's buyer's responsibilities for not checking thoroughly for your case.

so what if the seller have good feedbacks for all his sales...and you want to give him a road to walk...the truth is he's being dishonest or ignorant when he bought the watch from overseas/other sources...by giving him a bad rating you're helping us as members to be careful and also him as seller because he may not know that he's bought a watch with issues...

to not "expose" him is not doing any parties good...and it defeats the purpose of itrader..

do we walk away when we witness a car accident and possibly others may get hurt in the future ?...no doubt it's a serious crime and may not be an apple to apple comparison but this is a misrepresentation that needs to be addressed.

whether it triggers a war or not is irrelevant...it doesn't mean we won't buy from the seller anymore...we recognize good deals here but buyers will be more careful and take the extra step of verifying teeh watch when dealing with him

cheers

james

Bro James,

You are one of the RM whom I respected . You have enlighten me . Is it true that Links can't be verify? I might consider to verify my vintage 1675 at RSC .