Pam 312

[rambotan]

Just one noob question. Is the date adjustment
by pulling the crown to the first position but its thru changing the hourly hands to change the date instead of turning the date value directly thru the crown first position as in my other watches.

The date is changed by adjusting the hour hands, not quick set via a certain crown position...

[charlote]

Thanks to the advice from some of the forummers here, I finnally drop the AD waitlist and got the PAM 312, my first Panerai, from one of the grey dealers recently.

I like the watch very much. Just one noob question. Is the date adjustment
by pulling the crown to the first position but its thru changing the hourly hands to change the date instead of turning the date value directly thru the crown first position as in my other watches.

Are date adustment for all Panerais done this way thru the hourly hands from the crown first position ?

TIA

[exxondus]

A friend of mine just got it from a local PI for lesser than $9500.

ya noticed a few local PIs selling below 9.5 for 312 lately. seems lke those who are patient can get a good deal when things start to become less hot.

[patricia]

Retail price has always been S$9850. S$10800 is the PI price for the first few pieces.

Given the popularity of the 312, the current price of S$9500 seemed like a really reasonable deal to me.

A friend of mine just got it from a local PI for lesser than $9500.

[nakashima_mika]

Hi guys! 312 launch price was S$10800, and has seen price steadying at S$9500. Given the favourable current market situation..do you see the price to pick up or slow down further ?

Retail price has always been S$9850. S$10800 is the PI price for the first few pieces.

Given the popularity of the 312, the current price of S$9500 seemed like a really reasonable deal to me.

[Paneraii]

Hi guys! 312 launch price was S$10800, and has seen price steadying at S$9500. Given the favourable current market situation..do you see the price to pick up or slow down further ?

[patricia]

HI all,

I am looking to buy my first panerai pam 312. Been on wait list with one local AD.
Recently keep seeing sellers in forums selling the model much lower than local AD. These are buyers from overseas AD. probably taking advantage of the VAT refunds and selling for a profit . A few questions if anyone can help me...


1) Should I forget about my wait list at local AD and grab these pieces immediately at lower price and instant stock?

2) What are the things to look out for when trading with strangers on this forums?

3) Authentication shouldnt be a problem with this pam 312 since its a brand bew model???

4) warranty shoudnt be a problem with overeas AD correct? Do these comes with the credit card size warranty card. Is the warranty period 2 years for all panerais?

Sorry for asking so many questions..hope the experts here can help me own my first panerai.

TIA

Cheers

Take my advice. Buy from grey market or like me from overseas AD. Forget about local AD.

[PamDino]

Nice, something new to my knowledge. Didn't know they actually replaced the warranty card with a stamped booklet. I think this is a much better method these days.

They started it with 233 & probably with 270 as well. Now, all the in-house movement models, do not come with the warranty card anymore.

Dino

[Destro22BT]

If you have older PAM with ETA mvmt with COSC and if you have any in-house PAM.
You can compare the specs quoted inside in the COSC & the in-house booklet.
You'll see why COSC specs is no longer used by in-house.
The in-house has more and tighter specs than COSC.
I guess that's why COSC is no longer issued for all in-house.

As for the warranty card, I think they stopped issuing is as ppl tend to lose it.
So they decided to print in the same book.

Nice, something new to my knowledge. Didn't know they actually replaced the warranty card with a stamped booklet. I think this is a much better method these days.

[exxondus]

If you have older PAM with ETA mvmt with COSC and if you have any in-house PAM.
You can compare the specs quoted inside in the COSC & the in-house booklet.
You'll see why COSC specs is no longer used by in-house.
The in-house has more and tighter specs than COSC.
I guess that's why COSC is no longer issued for all in-house.

As for the warranty card, I think they stopped issuing is as ppl tend to lose it.
So they decided to print in the same book.

thanks for the info.

seems like the bigger players are all moving towards in-house and setting their own criterias thats stricter than the COSC criterias.

This is good news but bad news for our wallets

but then again, this is one of the points for the in-house vs non in-house arguement that many have been bringing up whenever we look at watches that use ETA movements and charge a premium.

[Fred_Tan]

COSC is printed inside the booklet as well

You are right. No card. Just a booklet.

No COSC cert as well... anyone can confirm? The Pam website also never mention the P9000 series movements are COSC certified.

If you have older PAM with ETA mvmt with COSC and if you have any in-house PAM.
You can compare the specs quoted inside in the COSC & the in-house booklet.
You'll see why COSC specs is no longer used by in-house.
The in-house has more and tighter specs than COSC.
I guess that's why COSC is no longer issued for all in-house.

As for the warranty card, I think they stopped issuing is as ppl tend to lose it.
So they decided to print in the same book.

[exxondus]

Ditch yourself off the waitlist, there are many collectors here who also experience difficulty getting the PAM312 from the ADs. It's true that grey dealers take advantage of currency fluctuations, AD discounts etc etc, afterall, they're in the business and they need to make a margin. I wouldn't really bother with the waiting game and just go grab a piece from the open market/grey dealers. Afterall, they're cheaper, but do make sure you do research on the watch before you get it.

I guess firstly, in this forum, you can take a look at their itrader ratings, and then importantly, buy the seller, not the watch. Recommended grey dealers are WatchArena, Hobbylink, Collector's Haven, Time Will Tell. These guys know their stuff and they deal with Panerai on a day to day basis. If you're trading with strangers in forums, just meet them at Richemont, pay an extra S$85 to get a peace of mind. However, do check if you're getting a complete set with all accessories, papers and boxes.

Warranty is no problem and it's 2 years from the date stated in the warranty card. Do not however present a blank undated warranty card as the service center will likely date it on the first day the series was first issued, and you can be shortchanged in terms of warranty coverage if this happens. Make sure there's a dealer's warranty stamp on the warranty card. And yes, it's a credit card sized warranty card.

thanks for the info. nowadays very scary if u dunno much about the watch, better to buy from safer sources.

btw, how much to buy you

[Fred_Tan]

No idea on the price yet as it's only out end of this year

The 317 really is beautiful, any idea how much does it cost?

But, we all have been promised many times & yet still no 317 till now.

[rambotan]

Pam 312 doesn't come with a warranty card as its a in-house movement production...
Correct me if i m wrong...
Thanks

You are right. No card. Just a booklet.

No COSC cert as well... anyone can confirm? The Pam website also never mention the P9000 series movements are COSC certified.

[Daytonalover]

Pam 312 comes with a guarantee booklet...