Panerai overpriced?

[PamDino]

Everyone chill and lets get on with more Pam discussion.

Seriously, the T dials on Pams are many times nicer than the T dials on Rolexes. Also, T dial Rolex does not enjoy premium over L dials as much as Pam's case. Funny right?

For me, I'll take a T over an L anytime but money no enough.

Hope that this can cool down the heat. Very HOT leh.

Bro Democritus, T-dial for you?



Cheers
Dino

[wolfeyes1974]

mate, dun be like that. this is exchange of views. there is no right or wrong opinions, just right or wrong facts.

i am more happy that you continue to contribute your horological knowledge. lets not make this personal. i would be more then happy to buy you a drink or meal, and listen to your opinions, serious. you definately know more about Panerai then me, becoz i am not a serious fan, i have not investigated pre V models, or even many current models, prob can learn more about individual models from you.

i agree...let's keep this friendly...

[116520]

Bro, my malayu is PTE LTD.

Let's get back to PAM... if not triton will come and F us....

BTW, I believe most of the bros here should know this site but some might not know, very nice site for PAM info, check it out:

http://www.clubpanerai.com

Brother in malayu...

[louie]

Btw, what is Abang?

Brother in malayu...

[116520]

Btw, what is Abang?

sorry bro Democritus,let me finish with bro 116520 first....Abang! you very the steady branja me combat ration somemore expired ones!!!

[louie]

Ok ok... next time we go Starbucks and I will bring you some combat ration from my previous in-camp....

sorry bro Democritus,let me finish with bro 116520 first....Abang! you very the steady branja me combat ration somemore expired ones!!!

[Democritus]

Everyone chill and lets get on with more Pam discussion.

Seriously, the T dials on Pams are many times nicer than the T dials on Rolexes. Also, T dial Rolex does not enjoy premium over L dials as much as Pam's case. Funny right?

For me, I'll take a T over an L anytime but money no enough.

[116520]

Ok ok... next time we go Starbucks and I will bring you some combat ration from my previous in-camp....

okay lah bro, what about coffee o on me,lunch on you...

[darth-khips]

DK,
Whatever u say is rite.
What I say I wrong.
Happy now?

mate, dun be like that. this is exchange of views. there is no right or wrong opinions, just right or wrong facts.

i am more happy that you continue to contribute your horological knowledge. lets not make this personal. i would be more then happy to buy you a drink or meal, and listen to your opinions, serious. you definately know more about Panerai then me, becoz i am not a serious fan, i have not investigated pre V models, or even many current models, prob can learn more about individual models from you.

[louie]

I also never claim to be the expert on Pam or Rolex leh but bro louie always think I am an expert since I have the Super Lao Jiao thing under my nick...

okay lah bro, what about coffee o on me,lunch on you...

[Fred_Tan]

i dun see in whoch post i made that i claim to be the expert on Pam or Rolex??!!! i pointed out FACTUAL errors made by you in your posts!!! i didnt say you are not privy to "the inside story", and if indeed you are, i am more than happy to hear your views, whoch i have been all these times. i would be more then happy to learn from you how these brands operate, though i wouldnt suggest you do it in a open forum like this.

i have maintain that this "exchange" between us is purely view based, backed from what in my case limited knowledge, and in your case, a broader understanding since you worked in a watch related industry. but there are some facts which are in public domain, and you cannot make a sweeping comment and then refuse to acknowledge it!!!

you dun see me making any posting in the rolex section on the individual series, becoz i got nothing to add on a technical level to the pool of horological knowledge here. so your accusation of me being a bully who "berates" and "make one look clever" etc are not warranted.

i wish that you would actually see what you posted about "when someone know more then you", are you practising what you purportedly are preaching?
i NEVER said i was an authority on horological affairs, esp PAMs and Rolex. i seems like you are the one who is not facing the reality here. i went thru some points on points with you, from regatta sponsorship to Sly.

and mate, dun take it so personally, i really am not trying to "attack" you. i was adding to the pool of views here, and at the same time pointing out several factual errors you made. and the marketing literature above, was made by panerai marketing, but they didnt get big Slys approval, thus withdrawn.

and also, i am not taking a diametrical opposite view as you pertaining to Rolex, the few guys i have met here knows i am not a big fan of Rolex, and like Democratus, i only like the GMT, plus daytona in my case.

and mate, your point about child labour used for Hublot, BRM etc, i have not done any research into it, but unless it is something you can substantiate, it is difficult to maintain that stance. i am not saying what you say are not true, like i said, i havent done any research on it. moreoever if you are so into being morally correct on the issue and child labour being used, there will be many other prodcust, non horological, that you cant use.

DK,
Whatever u say is rite.
What I say I wrong.
Happy now?

[116520]

I also never claim to be the expert on Pam or Rolex leh but bro louie always think I am an expert since I have the Super Lao Jiao thing under my nick...

[darth-khips]

DK,

For ur information, that poster was not allowed to be used by Sly Panerai or any one and was never actually used by Panerai or Vendome or any party .
It's made by fans and that's it.

Never beat up anyone.
This a free forum.
No one force you to read my post.
If you don't feel happy, you can always air ur un-happiness here.

You pretend to be the expert here.
But u r not.
So am I, I'm not the expert here.

When someone knows more that u, u got 2 choice.
Accept it or dun accept it.
If u couldn't accept that fact that we're all sharing our knowledge here, then I suggest you dun try to make yourself look even more foolish.

I maybe new to the brand but I've been in watch-collecting for many years and I still consider myself just a newbie.

No need to feel offended.
My point is direct & as it is, in your face.

If u or anyone wear Hublot, Graham & BRM then I feel sorry that the people who manufacture your watch uses slave & child labour in Chine to make it.
I don't feel sorry as what I say is true.
Take it or leave it.

Rolex has big mart drive which irrates me.
So I express it here.
If you are not happy about it, u can say so & I'll not attack u.

But, in ur case, I can see u as a mere bully in this forum who r only interested to make urself look clever & berates anyone that disagree with you.

If you have any prove to disclaim me, by all means do so.

I've done a lot of research on how many brands operate.

I know the inside story of most decision since 1998 by major brands as I'm stationed in Switzerland & work for CNC lathing & tooling company that support the Swiss watch-making industry after I graduate from UK.

Unless you have better things to say, my suggestion to you is to move on and if you're still unhappy, pls express it here with facts & prove.

i dun see in whoch post i made that i claim to be the expert on Pam or Rolex??!!! i pointed out FACTUAL errors made by you in your posts!!! i didnt say you are not privy to "the inside story", and if indeed you are, i am more than happy to hear your views, whoch i have been all these times. i would be more then happy to learn from you how these brands operate, though i wouldnt suggest you do it in a open forum like this.

i have maintain that this "exchange" between us is purely view based, backed from what in my case limited knowledge, and in your case, a broader understanding since you worked in a watch related industry. but there are some facts which are in public domain, and you cannot make a sweeping comment and then refuse to acknowledge it!!!

you dun see me making any posting in the rolex section on the individual series, becoz i got nothing to add on a technical level to the pool of horological knowledge here. so your accusation of me being a bully who "berates" and "make one look clever" etc are not warranted.

i wish that you would actually see what you posted about "when someone know more then you", are you practising what you purportedly are preaching?
i NEVER said i was an authority on horological affairs, esp PAMs and Rolex. i seems like you are the one who is not facing the reality here. i went thru some points on points with you, from regatta sponsorship to Sly.

and mate, dun take it so personally, i really am not trying to "attack" you. i was adding to the pool of views here, and at the same time pointing out several factual errors you made. and the marketing literature above, was made by panerai marketing, but they didnt get big Slys approval, thus withdrawn.

and also, i am not taking a diametrical opposite view as you pertaining to Rolex, the few guys i have met here knows i am not a big fan of Rolex, and like Democratus, i only like the GMT, plus daytona in my case.

and mate, your point about child labour used for Hublot, BRM etc, i have not done any research into it, but unless it is something you can substantiate, it is difficult to maintain that stance. i am not saying what you say are not true, like i said, i havent done any research on it. moreoever if you are so into being morally correct on the issue and child labour being used, there will be many other prodcust, non horological, that you cant use.

[Fred_Tan]

My philosophy

My philosophy is simple.
A person is entitled to do anything.
He beats e law, he pays.

He got $, he can do whatever he wants with it.

Panerai over-price?
Then, dun buy...

No one says it's cheap.

And, no one force anyone to buy.

No money like me? Stay ay home.
Got money, then I can but whatever BRM, Hublot, Graham, U-Boat, B&R, PP, AP, OP, Rolex, Zenith, IWC, EWC & etc that I wan.

Overprice & underprice is a very subjective manner.
Paying SGD20k for a BNIB PAM292 or 217 or 127 is over-priced to some who may not earn as much as what some people do.

Worst, with just a re-decorated ETA6497 that's worth only SGD150, do you think PAM292, 217 & 217 is overpriced?
I think it's INSANELY OVER OVER OVER prized.

But paying SGD20k for BNIB PP5711/1A-001 may not be overpriced as it was SGD40k 6mths ago.

Again PAM292, 217 & 127 was SGD30k 6mths ago.

Would a person who bought PP 5980/1A-001 for SGD100k 6mths ago think he overpaid when he can get the same watch BNIB & 2x sealed for SGD60k now?

But a person who can afford to wear PP5980, 5712 & 5711 or any Pre-V, PAM1, 2, 4, 9, 22, 26, 36, 56, 115, 117, 187, 194, 203, 217, 219, 239 & 267 or any AP ROO Alinghi, RB1, 2, 3, EOD & T3 will not give a hoot to pricing.
If he can walk into an AD to pick up a SGD30 - 200k watch, his perception is different than a person who only can afford 16610 & 16600 that cost SGD8k....

How about a person who bought a PP 5712/1A-001 for SGD65k half a year ago and could get it now for just SGD40k?

The actual fact is over & under price is very very subjective.
It's dependant on ones affordability & mart condition.

A under-valued watch today or long ago could end up appreciating or even go even lower in value. Likewise an over-valued watch today could go higher or lower.

It's all demand & supply....

[shuseido]

Fred bro and DK bro... relax ya...