Certification at RSC - will they tell u what need to be serviced

[tintinstuff]

i did not mean to offend, rather, i wanted to be informed and to inform others (however little i know). it seems you may have taken offense to what i have typed. if so, please understand that it was not my intention to upset you.

neither did i say that going to RSC is a bad idea... i was trying to point something else out...



what i'm trying to say is... rolex won't be able to do the above properly. they are not equipped or informed enough to do so. thus i would like to be proven wrong when i asked for your opinion.

but as i'm beating a dead horse, my input to this thread ends here and your reply is unnecessary.

Yes bro i will accept what you said, but since it started with you and have to end with me

I may agree your point that sometimes rolex verification may not be up to some people standard, but the real actual situation now is all or most buyer will want to pay something by the thousands to ensure their watch can send to Rolex / panerai/ ap/ pp/ iwc/ omegas/ breitlings/alange and any other brands for verifications. This is to safe guard their purchases and a sense of peace. It is also to prevent any disputes later on the authentication of the watch. In addition it adds on to the values and if anything goes wrong with the watch, you know you can send in to the service centre proudly and not being told... 'sir your watch not original' .

Anyway bro thanks for your feedback on this issue, we can agree or disagree but at end of the day, any individuals are entittled to their own personal subjective views whether they want to buy something that can be verified or not.

[taxico]

Brother are we talking the same thing here?

you are quoting my post and saying lots of things. you may be right and wrong, i dont know. you should bring out your great knowlege to Rolex to discuss not to me cause i dont bother.

If you disagree and think your vintages rolexs need not be verified by all means go ahead, for me i will and always buy with care and ensure my rolexs are verified before i buy.

Bro you should start another topic and your great knowlege will be appreciate somewhere else.

i did not mean to offend, rather, i wanted to be informed and to inform others (however little i know). it seems you may have taken offense to what i have typed. if so, please understand that it was not my intention to upset you.

neither did i say that going to RSC is a bad idea... i was trying to point something else out...

...the new current system is matching the correct serial case to the correct year and dial and i can sleep well. I am saying if any of you in doubts on your watches please bring it to rolex centre for checks. They will tell you if the casing of your 5513/1680/red/double red tally with the dial and the year so whether your watch is fully original or not, if the casing s/n does not match your red sub or double red then they will not authenticate because it is mix /match case and dial.

what i'm trying to say is... rolex won't be able to do the above properly. they are not equipped or informed enough to do so. thus i would like to be proven wrong when i asked for your opinion.

but as i'm beating a dead horse, my input to this thread ends here and your reply is unnecessary.

[tintinstuff]

i need to know what points i am not right so i can learn more and we can share more with others.

the problem is... rolex does not have a vintage division or even a vintage classification/recognition process.

eg, i would pay more for a matte 666 than a gloss 666. but i would pay more for a 666 with an earlier serial than a later serial.

but to rolex, as long as all parts are genuine, the receipt is issued and the watch is considered "genuine".

all parts being original: how much would you pay for a SL dial replacement on a red sub? what about an original tritium red sub?

what about a DRSD with a white dial? or a 1530 parts on a 5512? what about a white day/date disc on day-date with a champagne dial?

and at the end of the day: what difference do those things make for a new collector? and what difference does it make to RSC when they verify such watches?

this post is not meant to say that there is something wrong with your watch but just to ensure that people know RSC (especially singapore RSC) is not the end-all when it comes to verifying watches, ESPECIALLY vintage rolex watches.

RSC singapore does not care if you paid $150,000 for a 5517 or $1,500 for a 1601... they just want to charge you for a service to look at the watch, tell you about what they say and print out a receipt for you if everything looks okay.

they do not recognize mark variants for sub LVs... even less so for vintage watches. consumers made these variants up, not them.

in fact, i wonder if they will refuse to service a 5517...!

remember: rolex prefers to sell new watches.

Brother are we talking the same thing here?

seriously i appreciate your knowleges on vintage rolex watches, i do agree certain points you say.

But my post said about rolex verification is a peace of mind, the new current system is matching the correct serial case to the correct year and dial and i can sleep well. I am saying if any of you in doubts on your watches please bring it to rolex centre for checks. They will tell you if the casing of your 5513/1680/red/double red tally with the dial and the year so whether your watch is fully original or not, if the casing s/n does not match your red sub or double red then they will not authenticate because it is mix /match case and dial.

And you are talking about wrong dial on different casing...talking about different parts on a different model? whether they service your 5517, whether you pay $150,000 for 5517. I agree with you Rolex does not care, but neither do i care.
i know nuts about vintages rolex not like you, i only know it is better to bring to rolex centre to verify for peace of mind

you are quoting my post and saying lots of things. you may be right and wrong, i dont know. you should bring out your great knowlege to Rolex to discuss not to me cause i dont bother.

I only know most buyer request for rolex verification upon dealing and that is what i have been talking about .

If you disagree and think your vintages rolexs need not be verified by all means go ahead, for me i will and always buy with care and ensure my rolexs are verified before i buy.
Your point on the rolex commercial might be right but again i dont care. I got no business with them. But you are quoting my post and mentioning all this to me which i dont understand???

Bro you should start another topic and your great knowlege will be appreciate somewhere else.

For me and most newbies or even new vintage collectors, i suggest stick to Rolex for verification not here say from internet gurus

[taxico]

Yes i agree you are right some points... but i am emphasizing on Rolex authentication on vintage watches. Most buyers knows that a vintage Rolex does not come cheap nowadays, easily $10 k. Any buyer will not want to throw thousands of dollars down the drain and realised that parts are not original. Verification is a peace of mind to sleep well.

i need to know what points i am not right so i can learn more and we can share more with others.

the problem is... rolex does not have a vintage division or even a vintage classification/recognition process.

eg, i would pay more for a matte 666 than a gloss 666. but i would pay more for a 666 with an earlier serial than a later serial.

but to rolex, as long as all parts are genuine, the receipt is issued and the watch is considered "genuine".

all parts being original: how much would you pay for a SL dial replacement on a red sub? what about an original tritium red sub?

what about a DRSD with a white dial? or a 1530 parts on a 5512? what about a white day/date disc on day-date with a champagne dial?

and at the end of the day: what difference do those things make for a new collector? and what difference does it make to RSC when they verify such watches?

this post is not meant to say that there is something wrong with your watch but just to ensure that people know RSC (especially singapore RSC) is not the end-all when it comes to verifying watches, ESPECIALLY vintage rolex watches.

RSC singapore does not care if you paid $150,000 for a 5517 or $1,500 for a 1601... they just want to charge you for a service to look at the watch, tell you about what they say and print out a receipt for you if everything looks okay.

they do not recognize mark variants for sub LVs... even less so for vintage watches. consumers made these variants up, not them.

in fact, i wonder if they will refuse to service a 5517...!

remember: rolex prefers to sell new watches.

[tintinstuff]

Fully agree with Taxico.

I brought to them years back a ND sub with a replacement dial (Swiss) to verify...they ok it....even though the dial is obviously not period correct to the watch.

you are correct, i am not sure what is the current new system verification applys to vintage watches. Maybe it still will be the same on the dial part but as for casing and serial number is definitely more strict now.

[tintinstuff]

you would be surprised. i brought in a vintage rolex for service and was told that they want to check with switzerland that the serial number was issued to that case. after a week, i was told they cannot touch the watch because the number did not tally with their records in geneva.

i spent the few next months chasing down various RSCs around the world as well as a whole ton of correspondence between Rolex HQ and me.

in the end, i found that it was a GOLD service replacement case (non 4.4 mil) from an actual RSC somewhere in south east asia (i'm not saying which country right now) whose watchmaker had manually stamped the case number and there was a botch up.

i believe that a case can only be matched to a serial number and IF there was a service replacement, geneva needs to be updated accordingly. otherwise, like in my situation, the RSC will simply say that this oyster case is FAKE although it looks exactly like when it came out of the factory.

in the past, some RSCs were issued with blank cases and the numbers were supposed to be stamped back manually (to tally with the original case and number which was retained by RSC) so mistakes CAN and DO happen, as i have witnessed myself.

i also believe that it is quite difficult to know if a movement (all COSC movements have serial numbers) was issued to a particular case because movements and plates can (possibly) be changed during service. further, rolex movements are COSC tested without cases.

as such, IMO, there is no way that RSC can ascertain if the dial was issued with the case. they can only tell if it is genuine or not, to the best of their ability... and their ability is only matched by their willingness to charge you for such a verification process, and of course they will tell you to bring it to them when in doubt (this is something i do not discourage).

but your claim that "once a receipt is issued... [the] watch is safe [because it is deemed] fully original..." does not cut it with me, and i would advise everyone to pay attention to their purchases and to Singapore's RSC's claims.

i do not admit that "gurus" know everything, but there has to be some semblance of truth in why doubts can exist over a watch's authenticity (in terms of correctness of parts/marks), but a particular collector would be wise to steer clear of anything that does not match the acceptable norm, albeit when it comes to rolex, nothing is really considered "norm"!

so what i'm saying is: rolex verification is a paid-for service which doesn't mean anything except that the parts they have looked at is genuine. everything else is open for interpretation.

Yes i agree you are right some points... but i am emphasizing on Rolex authentication on vintage watches. Most buyers knows that a vintage Rolex does not come cheap nowadays, easily $10 k. Any buyer will not want to throw thousands of dollars down the drain and realised that parts are not original. Verification is a peace of mind to sleep well. is a peace of mind to know you can sell it later cause the next buyer will request for Rolex verification too.
I want to sleep well and hug my vintage rolex tonight knowing is fully original as it has been verified.
No one will want to buy even a $100 bucks watch if is non original, let alone $10,000 watch.

[KuchingKu]

Fully agree with Taxico.

I brought to them years back a ND sub with a replacement dial (Swiss) to verify...they ok it....even though the dial is obviously not period correct to the watch.

[taxico]

Took 2 days cos they are different from last time that verify on the spot.
Now they must check the serial number with their swiss parents and confirm that the s/n had records that tally the case and dial.

...nice people RSC and they advise me to only read and take reference from the internet for vintage watches not trust fully the gurus there. when ever in doubt must bring in and they will check thoroughly.

Once a Receipt is issued and verified, watch is safe as fully original. I feel it is worth paying for this $107 to have peace of mind rather than hear the rolex vintage self claimed super gurus criticises my 1680.

nothing can be more trusty than Rolex verification right?

you would be surprised. i brought in a vintage rolex for service and was told that they want to check with switzerland that the serial number was issued to that case. after a week, i was told they cannot touch the watch because the number did not tally with their records in geneva.

i spent the few next months chasing down various RSCs around the world as well as a whole ton of correspondence between Rolex HQ and me.

in the end, i found that it was a GOLD service replacement case (non 4.4 mil) from an actual RSC somewhere in south east asia (i'm not saying which country right now) whose watchmaker had manually stamped the case number and there was a botch up.

i believe that a case can only be matched to a serial number and IF there was a service replacement, geneva needs to be updated accordingly. otherwise, like in my situation, the RSC will simply say that this oyster case is FAKE although it looks exactly like when it came out of the factory.

in the past, some RSCs were issued with blank cases and the numbers were supposed to be stamped back manually (to tally with the original case and number which was retained by RSC) so mistakes CAN and DO happen, as i have witnessed myself.

i also believe that it is quite difficult to know if a movement (all COSC movements have serial numbers) was issued to a particular case because movements and plates can (possibly) be changed during service. further, rolex movements are COSC tested without cases.

as such, IMO, there is no way that RSC can ascertain if the dial was issued with the case. they can only tell if it is genuine or not, to the best of their ability... and their ability is only matched by their willingness to charge you for such a verification process, and of course they will tell you to bring it to them when in doubt (this is something i do not discourage).

but your claim that "once a receipt is issued... [the] watch is safe [because it is deemed] fully original..." does not cut it with me, and i would advise everyone to pay attention to their purchases and to Singapore's RSC's claims.

i do not admit that "gurus" know everything, but there has to be some semblance of truth in why doubts can exist over a watch's authenticity (in terms of correctness of parts/marks), but a particular collector would be wise to steer clear of anything that does not match the acceptable norm, albeit when it comes to rolex, nothing is really considered "norm"!

so what i'm saying is: rolex verification is a paid-for service which doesn't mean anything except that the parts they have looked at is genuine. everything else is open for interpretation.

[ethen3]

the minor chip and scratch was caused by RSC? or it was there prior to bringing into RSC?

prior to RSC. They point it out to me immediately on handing the watch over.

[tintinstuff]

Recently i got a sub1680 from preown market, many gurus said the serial number does not align with the internet experts said. Was told it was franken rolex vintage. Out of dismay send this old vintage sub 1680 to Rolex for verifications. Took 2 days cos they are different from last time that verify on the spot.
Now they must check the serial number with their swiss parents and confirm that the s/n had records that tally the case and dial.

Very happy watch was authentic, nice people RSC and they advise me to only read and take reference from the internet for vintage watches not trust fully the gurus there. when ever in doubt must bring in and they will check thoroughly.

Once a Receipt is issued and verified, watch is safe as fully original. I feel it is worth paying for this $107 to have peace of mind rather than hear the rolex vintage self claimed super gurus criticises my 1680.
nothing can be more trusty than Rolex verification right?

RSC

[seiko.citizen]

the minor chip and scratch was caused by RSC? or it was there prior to bringing into RSC?

[ethen3]

Just went to RSC yesterday for certification, was told to collect at end of the day cos they were very busy.Collected today. Surprise, surprise, never tell me to service anything. Just a minor crystal chipped and scratches on the bracelet. Happlily left

[dongfang richard]

I was at the RSC in january this year. The certification cost is $107 incl. GST.

They asked me to service, oil and change my chipped crystal... they quoted me about $800/-. I gladly declined them. Can get them much cheaper outside.

of coz trustable after market dealers.

[Dream]

Thanks for the info.
Appreciated it.
Cheers.

[KuchingKu]

RSC is a business and they may make declarations that helps to improve their balance sheet.

Bingo. Afaik, they always do this.