Help! I've been cheated!!

[princess_glyn]

[QUOTE=turbocharged;238270]If the watch turns out to be genuine, you seriously think clearing the seller's name here and treating him to a KTV session is sufficient payment for your malicious accusation of him committing a crime? Without any proof to back yourself up, you hung him out to dry by putting out his details and telling others you have been cheated. So if you are proven wrong, you will be putting out your own details and also engage a lawyer to sue yourself for defamation?

Besides, in the event that the movement is fake, who here can be sure it wasn't changed out after the seller passed you the watch? You mean sellers here who sell a Rolex today are to remain liable for the watch 1yr later? The buyer can change out the genuine movement for a fake movement and then accuse the seller of cheating him/her?

People really should think hard before they act and know that theyresponsible for their words and not speak with impunity. An apology does not necessaget one off the hook for their poor judgement in the real world.[/QUOTE

thank you for the comments. Sounds as thou ur his friend...
First of all who on earth would be so free to go and change the movement for a $1700 watch?? Secondly I was told from the dealer that this type of movement is specially made for this watch, esp he has been in this trade long enough to 'educate' me on the differences. So it would be very impossible for a normal person to make such changes. Thirdly workmanship give way. Lousy n low quality movement he said. Forthly, a bro in this forum also knows this seller in ebay who sells many classico where he 'found' in clubs.... Sounds fish right? When I call the seller to clarify n meet up, he sounded so arragont instead of being helpful. I didnt totally expose his full details anyway. What I want is to seek advise here thats why I have a leak out a bit of his particulars. After all this do you think it makes sense for me to think I bought a fake watch? I hesitated for a long time before decide to post it here. Hope you understand my situation bro.
Having said that, I will be down to Wheelok by next Mon to verify the watch. Been extremely busy lately... Thanks to all the bros who show concern for me
in this forum. Will update soon!

[princess_glyn]

[QUOTE=turbocharged;238270]If the watch turns out to be genuine, you seriously think clearing the seller's name here and treating him to a KTV session is sufficient payment for your malicious accusation of him committing a crime? Without any proof to back yourself up, you hung him out to dry by putting out his details and telling others you have been cheated. So if you are proven wrong, you will be putting out your own details and also engage a lawyer to sue yourself for defamation?

Besides, in the event that the movement is fake, who here can be sure it wasn't changed out after the seller passed you the watch? You mean sellers here who sell a Rolex today are to remain liable for the watch 1yr later? The buyer can change out the genuine movement for a fake movement and then accuse the seller of cheating him/her?

People really should think hard before they act and know that theyresponsible for their words and not speak with impunity. An apology does not necessaget one off the hook for their poor judgement in the real world.[/QUOTE

thank you for the comments. Sounds as thou ur his friend...
First of all who on earth would be so free to go and change the movement for a $1700 watch?? Secondly I was told from the dealer that this type of movement is specially made for this watch, esp he has been in this trade long enough to 'educate' me on the differences. So it would be very impossible for a normal person to make such changes. Thirdly workmanship give way. Lousy n low quality movement he said. Forthly, a bro in this forum also knows this seller in ebay who sells many classico where he 'found' in clubs.... Sounds fish right? When I call the seller to clarify n meet up, he sounded so arragont instead of being helpful. I didnt totally expose his full details anyway. What I want is to seek advise here thats why I have a leak out a bit of his particulars. After all this do you think it makes sense for me to think I bought a fake watch? I hesitated for a long time before decide to post it here. Hope you understand my situation bro.
Having said that, I will be down to Wheelok by next Mon to verify the watch. Been extremely busy lately... Thanks to all the bros who show concern for me
in this forum. Will update soon!

[princess_glyn]

[QUOTE=turbocharged;238270]If the watch turns out to be genuine, you seriously think clearing the seller's name here and treating him to a KTV session is sufficient payment for your malicious accusation of him committing a crime? Without any proof to back yourself up, you hung him out to dry by putting out his details and telling others you have been cheated. So if you are proven wrong, you will be putting out your own details and also engage a lawyer to sue yourself for defamation?

Besides, in the event that the movement is fake, who here can be sure it wasn't changed out after the seller passed you the watch? You mean sellers here who sell a Rolex today are to remain liable for the watch 1yr later? The buyer can change out the genuine movement for a fake movement and then accuse the seller of cheating him/her?

People really should think hard before they act and know that theyresponsible for their words and not speak with impunity. An apology does not necessaget one off the hook for their poor judgement in the real world.[/QUOTE

thank you for the comments. Sounds as thou ur his friend...
First of all who on earth would be so free to go and change the movement for a $1700 watch?? Secondly I was told from the dealer that this type of movement is specially made for this watch, esp he has been in this trade long enough to 'educate' me on the differences. So it would be very impossible for a normal person to make such changes. Thirdly workmanship give way. Lousy n low quality movement he said. Forthly, a bro in this forum also knows this seller in ebay who sells many classico where he 'found' in clubs.... Sounds fish right? When I call the seller to clarify n meet up, he sounded so arragont instead of being helpful. I didnt totally expose his full details anyway. What I want is to seek advise here thats why I have a leak out a bit of his particulars. After all this do you think it makes sense for me to think I bought a fake watch? I hesitated for a long time before decide to post it here. Hope you understand my situation bro.
Having said that, I will be down to Wheelok by next Mon to verify the watch. Been extremely busy lately... Thanks to all the bros who show concern for me
in this forum. Will update soon!

[Sinner]

pls do update us on the authenticity of the watch after u hv verified it.

[Noriki]

Good point

[turbocharged]

If the watch turns out to be genuine, you seriously think clearing the seller's name here and treating him to a KTV session is sufficient payment for your malicious accusation of him committing a crime? Without any proof to back yourself up, you hung him out to dry by putting out his details and telling others you have been cheated. So if you are proven wrong, you will be putting out your own details and also engage a lawyer to sue yourself for defamation?

Besides, in the event that the movement is fake, who here can be sure it wasn't changed out after the seller passed you the watch? You mean sellers here who sell a Rolex today are to remain liable for the watch 1yr later? The buyer can change out the genuine movement for a fake movement and then accuse the seller of cheating him/her?

People really should think hard before they act and know that they have to be responsible for their words and not speak with impunity. An apology does not necessarily get one off the hook for their poor judgement in the real world.

[PJBerri]

I bought a U boat late last here at singapore ebay. Based on his ratings of less than 50 it seems to be pretty trust worthy to purchase things from him.
He sold me a quartz chrono beige colour U boat. He mention that this was 1 of the 1st few models that produced quartz movement back then. No box or paper. He also did purhase on ebay. As usual U Boat doesnt do verification. But the watch technician did mention that she didnt come across model at all. But this guy keep assuring me that its 100% auth n I finally bought it from him at $1700. For assurance He even gave me his name card where he's helping out at his father's law firm.
After keeping it for ard 6-8months I traded off at 1 of the reputable 2nd hand watch dealer in orchard rd n was shock to hear that it's fake! Japan movement & not swiss. I called the guy, Miki Khoo, & as usual denied & insisted its 100% genuine. I told him to go down to the 2nd hand dealer shop to see for himself but was kena threathened instead. He also say he will file a police report to say that I might change the movement myself, which is totally ridiculas!
Bros I really need your expert advise what I can do about it. Should I EXPOSE his working place here in *** so that those who knows him can help me out on this? Hopefully he has a clearer conscious?
Luckily his mobile is still the same.
FYI his mobile is 9xxx 2222. Miki Khoo, Chinese, tall, well built & speaks well. Driving a Crossroad. (last year) Oh he's staying in Kembangan. Hope this help.
Appreciate ur help.

Hey dude

Sorry to hear your frustrations.

BUT chill, your watch sounds authentic enough from your descriptions. Early BOATs housed Miyota quartz and had mineral glass. They came with smaller aluminium boxes. David Beckham wore the model like yours. Chill man.

cheers

[watchlover1986]

any updates??

[banerai77]

not yet but the watch is with me liao... i also hope its auth so that I don't have to go thru the hassel of lodging a police report...

Sorry to hear abt ur mishap...hope u get it verify sn enuf.Do try to take sm pic of the so called "japanese movement" during verification if possible and maybe some of us here can help tell if it's the miyota.

Or maybe u can try posting in the uboat forum http://www.u-boatforum.com/
They might nod better.

cheers!

[simonn]

in the first instance, buyer should bear certain responsiblility to establish the the product that you are going purchase. Mindbearing the fact the seller did not at any point in time forced you into the deal. Sametime, during the point of transaction, you are also given the benefit to inspect the product. If you are willing to go-thru the transaction, it means to show that you are pleased and satisfied . Moreover, it is only after some time that you made the gruesome discovery based on speculation which will be at your disadvantage ...remember that there is always a time-bar to present your case.

[princess_glyn]

hi sis..any updates?

did ya visit bezel to authenticate the watch?

hope it's real ba

not yet but the watch is with me liao... i also hope its auth so that I don't have to go thru the hassel of lodging a police report...

[princess_glyn]

Telco cannot track tele conversation if you want to know.

Since there are some traces that U Boat used Japanese Quartz movement in the initial stage, you should verify this piece of information. Send the case number to U Boat HQ via email to ensure the authenticity. This is very important.

It is important to note that you have verified with your watch dealer, whom may not be familiar with U Boat's history, has pointed out that it is a Japanese movement. A counterfeit U boat do not need to use Japanese movement. They can use any movement, be it Chinese or any others.

I understand that even if this is a genuine quartz U Boat, you may have overpaid this piece. Unfortunately, the deal is agreed upon and there is nothing you can do about this point already.

I think it is now your responsibility to check with U Boat or Bezel Singapore and authenticate this watch. I also think that you should clarify this as well.
The seller's name, HP number has been published. If he did sell the real thing... Then something must be done about it.

Whatever the case is, be cool about it. That is the most important.

Thanks again for your concern. I've already gotten back the watch & will definitely head down to Bezel Wheelock either today or tomorrow. been busy lately.
I will definitely clear the seller's name if the watch is gunuine. (blanja him to ktv perhaps...)

[princess_glyn]

but you can bring your bag in and say you wanna send for cleaning and if it is a fake, they'll tell you politely that it is not a product of the company.

princess_glyn, I drive a white Crossroad too but I am not a U-Boat fan...hopefully you'll have an answer soon about your watch...

wah u so heng lor not a u-boat fan. if not sure you kena 'arrow' for nothing! hahaha
anyway nice car dude

[princess_glyn]

few years back my friend bought one at 500euros. tried one myself side by side with a swiss movement one. quality difference is substantial. not only the look of the movement. case quality differs too.

its genuine but can appear fake compared to the later series.

As for mine, according to the dealer, appears 'genuine'. but them he open the case, the movement appears to be low/bad quality. He mention that Swiss watch must go along with Swiss battery & not Japan movement. I did show him the websites provided by some of the helpful bros in this forum but he's not convince as they are not 'u boat watch specialist'. He did show me the movement, but of course I would't know how to tell.

[princess_glyn]

Like this?
http://watches-line.blogspot.com/200...atic_2823.html

BTW, I suggest you temper your expectations when making a police report. I'm not optimistic it would really be of much help.

They've never solved any of the 3 police cases I have filed in my life. Heck, they didn't even update me the status of the investigation.

I understand as well cos I ever file a police report on 1 of the reputable shop in Orchard selling a fake Gucci bag. Gucci did 'verify' thru verbal comminication but seller still dosent give a damn ****. Police report was file & the bag was being confiscated & will be sent to Gucci Singpaore for further investigation. I reported to CASE as well & they did a phone interview on both parties & it was even aired on 1 of the radio channel.
After 3 years the police return me the bag & mention case close!! Yup that's all! Without providing any information on the bag if it's auth or not. Hiaz...