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  • Fred_Tan
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    Again, you're right. I am always wrong

    Originally posted by Democritus View Post
    I sold my 115 for close to 11K....Do I need to publicised it?

    No one knows everything that is going on, so better be a little more humble and restrained.

    I have also seen Pam 1A trading at highs of over 20K now below 20K. I have bought and sold 217/232 at highs (28K/13K) and low of (21K/10K) in recent times.

    Similarly, I know of a Rolex Exp 2 (steve Mcqueen) that was traded for $27K at the high and some traded at lows of near $20K

    But, there's no need for me to highlight to you cos you seem to know every single deal that took place on planet earth!

    While you are so well-connected, just puzzles me that when someone asked for your reference (at the other Pam site) and none of your local good dealer friends whom you say you have weekly discussion with came forward and verified for you.

    Mods,

    It is gentlemanly to argee to disagree. However, it is another thing to be calling people names (like shameless, shout your mouth etc). That's just plain arrogance (which I am not sure stems from where) and lack of social etiquette.

    I suggest you lock the thread cos I see most of the rudeness coming from a single party who even challenged you to ban him.

    I am going to practice some self-restrain and stop commenting on this thread, else I thread (no puns intended) on character assassination.
    Well, what can I say?
    Yes, only you speaks the truth here.
    You're right.

    What else you need?
    You are the best.
    You know it all.

    Is that enough?

    I am always humble & ready to be corrected if I'm wrong.
    I can say sorry to everyone here if I'm wrong.
    And to anyone who has been offended by me, I'm sorry.

    But, I'm not sorry for highlighting lies that some ppl here wanna spread.
    I stand to be corrected.

    A grey dealer who putting in a reference for another grey dealer in P.com?
    Will that work?
    Will I want to put in a reference for Kim Choy, William, Kenneth, Richard, James, Barry, Terence & Sam who compete with me on sales?
    I think not.
    Will they? I think not.
    You must be kidding, right?

    And if Kim Choy, William, Kenneth, Richard, James, Barry, Terence, Sam & myself put in a good references for me or each other in all forums, will u & the public believe it?
    We can do it...but what is the point?
    Reference should be buyers to sellers & vice versa.
    Not traders to traders.

    Can u imagine THG saying Cortina, Watches of Switzerland & etc is good & vice versa.
    Who will believe it?

    Asking the mod to ban me shows your true colours.
    You couldn't accept there are always some1 more right than u.
    So, when u think some1 here has proven u wrong or out to shadow you cos he/she has more knowledge than u, which I am not, u use this mantra that some1 is rude, not gentlemen, lack ethiques, arrogant & etc.

    Looks who's calling ppl names now...

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  • Fred_Tan
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    No hard feelings here

    I learn from you all.
    If I made a mistake I will admit it.
    I am not here to spite or put down anyone.
    But I cannot sit down & hear facts that are not truth.

    Ppl may tell something out of misinformation.
    Forums are meant to share information.
    But I don't think forum members here or in any forums want to be given false of half truths...

    If I go over VP & P.com or any other forum & made a broad-brushed statement like "Panerai Price Dropping", I will get toasted with at least 100 responses in matter of hours cos it's not the truth.

    If P & VP.com members find out that I dunno how a crown protector lever system is totally different from a crown and I still pretend to tell other members there that the crown in special & start to google & throw in dates like 1956 & 1960, I dun think members there will luv me very much.
    And no members in any forum for that matter.

    Dun pretend to be guru cos there's no guru on any subject.
    I'm not & far from it.

    And, if I confuse the term Marina with with special crown and still wanna be expert there, I dun think any member in VP or P or any forums is gonna remember me with good thoughts.

    I spend more of my time in P.com and when I'm not online, I spend my time in grey dealers shop to share pricing & stock info.
    I also talk to all the ADs in town to share more info.

    We cannot live without info.
    I cannot.
    No1 can.

    But I can live without wrong info.

    If I'm overseas, I will visit all the grey traders & ADs no matter how far they are to share more info.
    I clock 600,000km every year looking for watches.

    My point is, I am not right all the time.
    I can be totally wrong & biased.
    Dun believe me. & I welcome you all to correct me & others.
    I'm here to get to know u all & learn from you great ppl here.
    I have no qualms from being told of my errors & getting bashed by you all.
    If I made a mistake, I'm sorry and I want to be corrected by good members like u all.
    Otherwise, why would I even bother to be here.

    BUT, I expect others to be ready to corrected if they are wrong.
    Ppl who keep harping on issue that's far from reality & truth is not here for the benefits of others.
    They are merely here to propagate their egos & I dun wan to be that and I dun like that when I see it happening blatantly.

    Ppl who know me personally know I am not a arrogant guy.

    Ppl who who think emselves as the police of this forum & threaten others with call for ban are the worst in any forum.
    This ppl have no right whatsover to think they own the forum when they dun.


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  • Democritus
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    I sold my 115 for close to 11K....Do I need to publicised it?

    No one knows everything that is going on, so better be a little more humble and restrained.

    I have also seen Pam 1A trading at highs of over 20K now below 20K. I have bought and sold 217/232 at highs (28K/13K) and low of (21K/10K) in recent times.

    Similarly, I know of a Rolex Exp 2 (steve Mcqueen) that was traded for $27K at the high and some traded at lows of near $20K

    But, there's no need for me to highlight to you cos you seem to know every single deal that took place on planet earth!

    While you are so well-connected, just puzzles me that when someone asked for your reference (at the other Pam site) and none of your local good dealer friends whom you say you have weekly discussion with came forward and verified for you.

    Mods,

    It is gentlemanly to argee to disagree. However, it is another thing to be calling people names (like shameless, shout your mouth etc). That's just plain arrogance (which I am not sure stems from where) and lack of social etiquette.

    I suggest you lock the thread cos I see most of the rudeness coming from a single party who even challenged you to ban him.

    I am going to practice some self-restrain and stop commenting on this thread, else I thread (no puns intended) on character assassination.

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  • Paneraii
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    Erm. I think there is one NOS 115 that was tagged more than 11k in a shop. And a few were listed S$10k or more on P com. I am sure someone paid high for them though.

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  • Paneraii
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    This strike another point.

    Good bargain or good price is indeed good if you can get the watch. Some post low price, alot of response, and repost again and again. Test water, you know what I mean.

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  • Fred_Tan
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    Originally posted by Rolex48 View Post
    dun need to ask for forgiveness, i am a newbie.
    or did u mix up the model to 219?

    In this forum alone there are 2 case of 115 above 12 k

    here is one that is above 12k
    http://sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=1...ghlight=pam115

    15k oso have leh
    http://sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=3104&highlight=115g

    this is why i say 115 price drop/fall.
    That price never changed hand, believe me.
    Over here when we say pricing, we refer to done deal price...not posted price.
    Some1 posted in Paneristi in Apr 2008 asking for SGD40k for a PAM127E..
    Does that mean PAM127E hit 40K?

    The same good fella posted again e next week asking for SGD45k PAM217H....

    He then posted SGD28K for a 249I the next mth in May.......

    He has no pics...someone later finds out that he's just helping an irresponsible trader who's no longer in this business here to push up e price as every time we call him, he says e watch is already onhold.

    The funny thing is e watch is already onhold 60s after it was posted as we called him very e moment e 3rd watch (249) was posted.

    We reported him & his IP was banned 4ever....and the trader has lost his previlage to post in Paneristi as well & lost his business as a result.

    Recently we also monitoring another trader here in Spore who always say his watch is sold or taken or onhold moments after he posted....he's being investigated for spurring right now....

    My point is I only note down price that really changed hands by discussing with fella traders here on weekly basis. I visit em often & talk to em all e time.
    We know e price that really got executed.

    So when u see a 13+k 115, do u really believe that it was sold even when the thread indicate so?
    Dun just look at threads...
    They can be severely misleading.
    A 5980/1A was posted for SGD106,500K 1.5 years ago.
    What happened?
    I went w e buyer & met e seller.
    The deal was done at just SGD75k.

    Maybe the seller is ur fren.
    But even then, how do u knoe he really received 13+k.
    He could boast he got it, right? When in actual fact he only got 10k?

    Take my word, if anyone paid above 10k for a new 115 a year or two ago, he did a lot of charity...or he was cheated by a grey dealer like me

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  • Fred_Tan
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    Special crown? All Luminor have a e same crown protection system... What crown?

    Originally posted by SUBMARINER View Post
    To share with all pam fans.

    Pam Marina crown was distributed in 1956 and patented in US in 1960. There is a history behind the crown. Therefore, Pam crown is special.
    All Luminor have a e same crown protection mechanism since 1940s.
    The patent papers was files in 1956.
    But the it was already fitted to 6152/1 since 1940s, 15-16years, earlier.

    I know u just Googled the "special crown" just now.
    I bet u dun even know that it's not even a crown.
    It's a crown protection system.
    Not crown.


    Panerai never do anything special w their bloody crown.
    The protection system is a lever bar that can be turned 180 degrees from top to bottom and that's not a crown for goodness sake.

    For goodness sake, if u dunno what u r toking about, pls refrain from being expert.
    I myself are not expert & no1 is.

    Pls pls pls dun shame urself here....

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  • Rolex48
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    Originally posted by Fred_Tan View Post
    When u say 12k...who is selling then?
    May I know what condition?
    New?

    I dun ever recall 115 actually changed hand above 10k.
    Maybe I'm old & my memory is bad.
    Forgive me.

    NIB PAM22 L-dial has only ever changed hand at 11.8k for a 12.5k asking even when times are good and it was sold by a well known trader to a fren whom I recommended in Sep 2008 when e price was at it's peak.

    How can PAM115 that was released much later than PAM22 ever fetch 12k?

    I dun think 115 has ever gone above 10k for a BNIB in e mart even in 2007 & 2008.

    Maybe I am wrong, pls forgive me.

    For the 9.5k deal, I assume u r referring to a 98% condition posted in BigWatch early tis mth?
    It is still not sold, huh?
    Times are bad, right?
    Is this brand new? No? Polished?

    dun need to ask for forgiveness, i am a newbie.
    or did u mix up the model to 219?

    In this forum alone there are 2 case of 115 above 12 k

    here is one that is above 12k
    http://sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=1...ghlight=pam115

    15k oso have leh
    http://sg-roc.com/showthread.php?t=3104&highlight=115g

    this is why i say 115 price drop/fall.

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  • exxondus
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    Originally posted by triton View Post
    will i get to buy pam 233 @ 14.5k below? last year want to buy 16k. now i heard 14.5k can buy. if can hor, 1.5k savings. can buy more straps.
    1.5k all on straps? power!! I would buy another watch

    if 233 price 'stablise', then you most prob can get at 14.5 bah..good luck!

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  • SUBMARINER
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    Originally posted by triton View Post
    will i get to buy pam 233 @ 14.5k below? last year want to buy 16k. now i heard 14.5k can buy. if can hor, 1.5k savings. can buy more straps.
    I think someone selling at 13.8k neg older series at panerai forum. His nick start from D from singapore. Do a search. Don't know still have.

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  • triton
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    will i get to buy pam 233 @ 14.5k below? last year want to buy 16k. now i heard 14.5k can buy. if can hor, 1.5k savings. can buy more straps.

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  • SUBMARINER
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    To share with all pam fans.

    Pam Marina crown was distributed in 1956 and patented in US in 1960. There is a history behind the crown. Therefore, Pam crown is special.

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  • ohlins
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    pls restrict the discussion to opinions about watches.......

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  • exxondus
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    Originally posted by Fred_Tan View Post
    Yeah, u r the best, the only here that's correct, I give u that.
    Happi?
    lol same way u ended an earlier thread discussion with another guy.

    we are having an intellectual discussion here. or rather, was. anyway nm, let's just forget it. you have a right to you view and me to mine.

    jut maybe reframe from all those strong accusations. I mean, no one is aying you are ignorant to claim that EVERYONE minds people wearing the same watch as them.

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  • Fred_Tan
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    Common, u r shooting off facts that're not truth over this forum again

    Originally posted by SUBMARINER View Post
    I think before 2009, pam 115 was trading above 12k pam 22 was trading about 15k. Some previous thread will show.

    It is true that panerai prices are dropping very badly.

    Eg: Special Pam 232, 92, 186,252, 318.etc.......
    Normal Pam: 0, 5, 111, 112, 118,104,176,91 etc...........
    New Pam: 312,268,233,320 etc.........

    Overall short and simply. Panerai prices dropping like nobody busy and shops started not to take in unless price very cheap.

    It is a fact that most collectors knew.
    I invite u over to Paneristi.com and make the same statement u made here...

    Forgive me for saying this out loud, u dun even know what is a Panerai to discuss any topic related to it.

    Let me show why u dun deserve to make any comments on PAM & u'd be better off by keep ur baseless pointers to urself:

    Originally posted by SUBMARINER View Post
    Better don't touch 320 or 321. Buy some cheap pam to wear lah. Not much different lah only the special crown made pam special lah. Like Rolex 5 matches.
    Special crown...let me take out my 320 & check....special...nothing special ler...

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