Panerai overpriced?

[Triumph]

hi mate, i dont think there is anything to smell, its just frank exchange of opinions. for the record, i am own a pam 86D and a ferrari GMT, so i got no agenda to talk the market down(or up for the matter). I am not a big panerai fan, but i have always maintain that if one wants a "complete" horological collection, one must own a Panerai, whatever the series. i have always admired the brand DNA and the romance behind the make(however blown out of proportion, at least got story!!). I just wanna present a more balance and holistic view of the subject on hand. if you go thru the postings here and i guess for other horological sites, for every Panerai admirer, there is one with opposite view. I like Fred's view, and his expression of it. i always enjoy one's horological experiences and opinions, as long as it is well thought out and researched and FACTUAL. there are some makes i have no knowledge of, and thus not express a opinion...i dun even know which series my daytona with zenith movement is!!!(sorry bro ngohan - i forgot again)

pleeeaasseee la..ai-o-yo... i can't agree more wif Mr darthkhips.. if u 1 2 say something in public, mus b FACTUAL, or sure wait to get hantam. Mayb oso can kenna sued if say wrongly. In forum like tis no one knoes if u collector or seller or watever, so if pple see u sell watch n misinform wat u sell, then lagi worse right. Like u walk into a mercedes car showrm n ask which country n salesman says merc come from italy. Can accept? Piangz

[116520]

darth-khips, I think you have misunderstood what I meant... I smell something don't refer to fred's comment, I smell something mean there is going to be some arguement between bros here... like fire is heating up....

I agree with you totally. That's why I said even bros who buy/sell watches here should also have the right to voice their views here...

hi mate, i dont think there is anything to smell, its just frank exchange of opinions. for the record, i am own a pam 86D and a ferrari GMT, so i got no agenda to talk the market down(or up for the matter). I am not a big panerai fan, but i have always maintain that if one wants a "complete" horological collection, one must own a Panerai, whatever the series. i have always admired the brand DNA and the romance behind the make(however blown out of proportion, at least got story!!). I just wanna present a more balance and holistic view of the subject on hand. if you go thru the postings here and i guess for other horological sites, for every Panerai admirer, there is one with opposite view. I like Fred's view, and his expression of it. i always enjoy one's horological experiences and opinions, as long as it is well thought out and researched and FACTUAL. there are some makes i have no knowledge of, and thus not express a opinion...i dun even know which series my daytona with zenith movement is!!!(sorry bro ngohan - i forgot again)

[BRABUS]

Haha cool down guys , but actually enjoy reading all this post !
You guys are really die hard fans , i admit, i buy Pam just because its a fashion watch , than i do some research on the net , and i start to admire the rich history behind the watch . So start to consider getting 1 of their in-house movement , overall never regret .

[darth-khips]

I am smell something here...

btw, we are interested in watches and hence we are here in this forum.

Some bros here might be selling/buying watches here. But that doesn't mean that they can't voice out their views...

hi mate, i dont think there is anything to smell, its just frank exchange of opinions. for the record, i am own a pam 86D and a ferrari GMT, so i got no agenda to talk the market down(or up for the matter). I am not a big panerai fan, but i have always maintain that if one wants a "complete" horological collection, one must own a Panerai, whatever the series. i have always admired the brand DNA and the romance behind the make(however blown out of proportion, at least got story!!). I just wanna present a more balance and holistic view of the subject on hand. if you go thru the postings here and i guess for other horological sites, for every Panerai admirer, there is one with opposite view. I like Fred's view, and his expression of it. i always enjoy one's horological experiences and opinions, as long as it is well thought out and researched and FACTUAL. there are some makes i have no knowledge of, and thus not express a opinion...i dun even know which series my daytona with zenith movement is!!!(sorry bro ngohan - i forgot again)

[teo]

Fred Tan comments are quite harsh. Shouldn't take it on other brands.

[Mille]

Watch is like a religion to some. Must worship one. So say anything wrong, sure kena wack.... Just like that song again, "let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be... whisper words of wisdom, let it be..."

yeah sensitive issue..

some watch lovers are like religious devotees..totally commited to one brand one

[Oceanklassik]

Watch is like a religion to some. Must worship one. So say anything wrong, sure kena wack.... Just like that song again, "let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be... whisper words of wisdom, let it be..."

[116520]

I am smell something here...

btw, we are interested in watches and hence we are here in this forum.

Some bros here might be selling/buying watches here. But that doesn't mean that they can't voice out their views...

Is something brewing here? Pam seller sure say pam good. Let it be.

[louie]

Is something brewing here? Pam seller sure say pam good. Let it be.

pam seller? If you are referring to Fred,he also sells / owned Rolex watches too.

[alan_ng]

Hmm, but hows pam's resale value as of currently as compared to Rolex?

[Triumph]

Is something brewing here? Pam seller sure say pam good. Let it be.

[darth-khips]

Using Edmund Hillary who actually is not the 1st man on Everest but claimed to be so, reckless Pan-Am pilots that practically crashed so many planes that Pan-Am folded, LPGA tournaments, meaningless Regattas, mundane James Bonds films & ads blitz in every known maganizes & nations' dailies worldwide is the only good thing about Rolex & nothing else since 1940s till today.

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u forgot Panerai is main sponsor for Antigua Classic Yacht Regatta?? how about 36th Annual Nantucket Opera House Cup Regatta??

[darth-khips]

In fact, I lost count how many brands sponsored Antartica expeditions.

The very reason why these brands had to use ambassadors & event or expediction to ply their watches if the very reason why so many like me are put off by these brands.

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you forgot Mike Horn's expedition sposored by Panerai.

Officine Panerai is the sponsor of Mike Horn's new mission. The celebrated South African explorer will leave the Principality of Monaco in May on an expedition lasting four years. In several stages his journey will take him to all the continents including Antarctica, with the intention of sharing awareness of the current state of our planet so as to make public opinion aware of this important problem. The name of the expedition is 'Pangaea' and - in accordance with the motto of the expedition 'explore, learn, act' - Mike Horn will not restrict himself to observing but will be actively involved in trying to make our planet a better place.

[darth-khips]

AP is only good in churning out same shaped & same mvmt watches under many material guises like rubber & carbon for it's ROO using losers like Juan Pablo Montoya, Rubbens Barrachelo & Shaquille O'Neil and serial rapist & mollester Arnold Schwarzenegger bereft of any real applications history.

I thanks heavens Panerai is the only brand that's free from any ambassador.
I shudder to think how much money actually went to team Alinghi, Michael Schumacher, Nicole Kidman, Kimi Raikonen, Uma Thurman, Arnold Palmer, Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus, John Travolta, Nicholas Cage, Internation Space Station & many others than going into the watch.

In fact, I lost count how many brands sponsored Antartica expeditions.

The very reason why these brands had to use ambassadors & event or expediction to ply their watches if the very reason why so many like me are put off by these brands.,

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thats not true mate, you forgot mr Rambo Stallone and his Slytech?? even pre V days.....

[darth-khips]

The very fact that no watch can use the wordings "Marina Militare" without approval from Italian Navy is a proof of this.
PAM36, 217 & 267s, "Marina Militare" prints were approved by Italian Navy for public use.

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check out Locman Marina Militarie series then. and we are not talking about some token hommage watch or some Ken trading inspiration.

http://www.locman.de/html/marina_militare.html