Verification @ RSC and other alternatives

[decksurgeon]

They can test for waterproofing. There is a machine...it's like a vacuum machine...that mimicks the pressure just like under water.

the machine is called a ALC 2000 and made by Witschi in Switzerland.


it has a range of 0.8-10bar and can be coupled with a compressor for more complex testing. This is the top of the line machine and can be hooked up to a printer to print out the test result also.

there are cheaper testers out there and one example is from Bergeon

[ricnas1]

good thread by TS. i have another query pursuant to this $75 verification. How will the technician know/ensure that the watch case back has been correctly secured in order to withstand water resistance? I read from somewhere that there is a certain gauge that must be used to test for waterproofness. pls pardon me if this qn has been posted.

i'm not sure how this goes and if i'm even answering yr question...

1. when u send a watch in to get a quote for servicing charges, they will tell you that they will not bear the responsibility of the watch's waterproffness after they open the casing.....

2. but when u send for authentication, they will not say such a thing.. so i suppose they will have a machine/gauge test to actually press the case back into the watch properly...

[Darkangel]

good thread by TS. i have another query pursuant to this $75 verification. How will the technician know/ensure that the watch case back has been correctly secured in order to withstand water resistance? I read from somewhere that there is a certain gauge that must be used to test for waterproofness. pls pardon me if this qn has been posted.

They can test for waterproofing. There is a machine...it's like a vacuum machine...that mimicks the pressure just like under water.

[feudallordcult]

good thread by TS. i have another query pursuant to this $75 verification. How will the technician know/ensure that the watch case back has been correctly secured in order to withstand water resistance? I read from somewhere that there is a certain gauge that must be used to test for waterproofness. pls pardon me if this qn has been posted.

[ricnas1]

errr....slight OT, but when you exchange hands for a nice fast car. more often than not the buyer pays the LTA 'transfer fee' (only in exceptional cases, seller agrees to pay transfer fee).
then again, i have never come across a fake 911 GT3 or fake lambo for sale.

as a seller if you have a genuine product for sale - you will never daunted by any authentication challenge.
if you are a buyer, of course you have ever right to know what you are paying for is the real mc coy. so there is always a reason for both sides and room to meet at an amicable solution.

any example is a good example...

[decksurgeon]

errr....slight OT, but when you exchange hands for a nice fast car. more often than not the buyer pays the LTA 'transfer fee' (only in exceptional cases, seller agrees to pay transfer fee).
then again, i have never come across a fake 911 GT3 or fake lambo for sale.

as a seller if you have a genuine product for sale - you will never daunted by any authentication challenge.
if you are a buyer, of course you have ever right to know what you are paying for is the real mc coy. so there is always a reason for both sides and room to meet at an amicable solution.

[Oceanklassik]

Both ricnas1 and decksurgeon, WELL said ! Yes, I find the responsibility of authentification resting heavily of the seller, than the buyer. Isn't this how the consumer laws were crafted? Thanks.

[ricnas1]

Ok I agree that it is the buyer's "want" for authentification rather than the seller, that the buyer has to pay. My concern is, WHAT IF, authentification proves otherwise? Is the seller then going to refund the verification fees to the buyer? If yes, then no problem.

This was raised from another post by someone who was asking about buying watches from pre-own shops. Similar concerns. Thanks.

a private seller who's confident that his watch is all original wld not mind that the watch be "authenticated"....

similarly a buyer who is confident that the watch is original need not send the watch for "authentication"....

i have to insist that the buyer forks out the "authentication fee" for their own ease of mind, to know that the watch is oiginal....

however if this is otherwise, means watch is not original or have fake parts ie bracelet, then the private seller wld have to refund the fee... that is only correct and gentlemanly.... but not necessarily wl be done or agreed upon....

sometimes the seller might not know themselves... but this is the responsibility of the seller that the watch is original as he is selling it as an original and shldnt feign ignorance...

pls bear in mind, that the "authentication" is merely to confirm that all parts are original, does not mean parts are correct to the watch...

but in the case of pre-own shops.... u must cfm with them prior to purchasing that the watch needs to be authenticated.... they shld accompany you to rsc and get it done... but u still will pay the fees...

if they refuse, dun buy.... if the watch is not original... they stand to lose the reputation....

whats in it for you as the buyer... either "losing" the SGD75 to know the watch is a fake and never returning to the seller and shop...... or paying SGD75 for peace and ease of mind.... imho.. that SGD75 is worth it... though it wld be sweeter if they only charge sgd25

[decksurgeon]

IMHO think the easiest is for both parties to come to an agreement prior to verification. with verification you have 2 discrete answers only.

(i)- a rolex that came out from the geneva factory
(ii)- a rolex that did not come out from the factory (nice way of telling u fake lah)

so you can agree before hand who is to pay depending on the either outcome above.
that way no issues should the verification throw up an unexpected result.

this sounds reasonable and gentelmanly enough for a trade deal no?

[Oceanklassik]

Ok I agree that it is the buyer's "want" for authentification rather than the seller, that the buyer has to pay. My concern is, WHAT IF, authentification proves otherwise? Is the seller then going to refund the verification fees to the buyer? If yes, then no problem.

This was raised from another post by someone who was asking about buying watches from pre-own shops. Similar concerns. Thanks.

[Darkangel]

Why ah? It's simple,I can sell you the watch,but if you don't believe it's authentic you bring it and check yourself well that is not the sellers fault if the buyer has doubts in the seller. So it should not be the seller who pays for the $75.

FIRSTLY,if the seller knows that the watch is original,he doesn't have to worry at all. That is why usually sellers dare to put...if watch not authentic,they will refund the buyer. In the case that they blur blur also then too bad for the seller,he has to refund the buyer and look for the pervious seller.

But this kinda scenario is rare la

[Oceanklassik]

Verification @ RSC and other alternatives

Hi, I've been thinking about this for some time and hope to be enlightened.

It has always been that a buyer having to borne the watch verification fee of $75 at RSC for each sale transaction. How is this so? Why not the seller instead? Sorry for my ignorance but I've not experienced a private sale of this sort so I may lack the knowledge.

Why I asked? I was thinking, what IF, the watch is rejected by the agent? Reason may be that the watch is fake or something. Then now, the buyer backed out. So is the seller going to refund the $75 to the buyer? It may not be anybody's fault cos' the seller may have been duped in the previous purchase.

Just some thoughts. Thanks for sharing.

[Darkangel]

I think its a 16263 but the face may be not the same as when first purchased in 1992. Quite happy la. There was an explorer II slightly more but this matches the wife's

Ahhh finally...hahaha...oh I have seen this b4..quite rare I have to say hardly see this 1. CONGRATS

[Oceanklassik]

Nice pc la. No worries n enjoy it. Cheers!

[seiko.citizen]

this tread is useless without pics.... at least now you know you got the real macoy